Please! You want people to actually accept personal responsibility for their health instead of blaming the government and corporations? What kind of American are you? j/k
Minor point, but I actually think fast food is expensive compared to cheap healthy groceries. However, people are addicted and can't stop eating junk, even when their lives depend on it.
Former atheist wrote:
Please! You want people to actually accept personal responsibility for their health instead of blaming the government and corporations? What kind of American are you? j/k
Minor point, but I actually think fast food is expensive compared to cheap healthy groceries. However, people are addicted and can't stop eating junk, even when their lives depend on it.
Not wrong, but transportation to places with affordable groceries can also be a problem. Food deserts keep people from getting decent meals, then the rest does boil down to personal responsibility.
Wrong, US is not in the top 10 of most obese nations.
Former atheist wrote:
Minor point, but I actually think fast food is expensive compared to cheap healthy groceries. However, people are addicted and can't stop eating junk, even when their lives depend on it.
I think you're right about cost. I cook most of my meals at home and do them cheaper than fast food. I guess it's more of a convenience thing. I know for a fact that when I eat fast food it's because I'm running late for something and don't have time to cook.
Also some people don't know how to cook. My dad is retired and has all the time in the world. He still eats fast food because he's never chopped a vegetable in his life. I finally got him to do one of the meal delivery services for health reasons. But we chose one where he could just microwave the meal and didn't have to do any cooking.
Because we never see prices and therefore do not choose to go to a different doctor who charges less.
Make it law to show the full prices that you will be charged so that you can choose to go to the doctor who has good reviews who charges the least.
Imagine going to Chipotle to get a Burrito and you do not see prices and then you get a statement in the mail two weeks later with a bill for $100 just for one Burrito.
All the blather above is moot, because there aren't now and won't be enough doctors in the future to provide adequate care to all our new "residents" which is made worse by a number of other factors.
as a result, the wealthy will get their own, private physicians, as it is now in Canada and the UK.
Porkie wrote:
Wrong, US is not in the top 10 of most obese nations.
Wrong....for 15 and over
http://www.oecd.org/health/obesity-update.htmI read a book once wrote:
Porkie wrote:
Wrong, US is not in the top 10 of most obese nations.
Wrong....for 15 and over
http://www.oecd.org/health/obesity-update.htm
*for developed countries.
You should become a doctor and run a free clinic. Or just complain. Which will you do?
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
YMMV wrote:
What is stupefying is how few people make the connection between the U.S. government introducing horrifyingly bad nutritional guidelines in 1977 and the wave of obesity and poor health that has followed (though much mortality was statistically masked by smoking cessation). The government, in concert with media, academia and corporate interests, has weaponized the American diet against it's own people to create a perfect storm of addiction, toxicity and obesigenicity, and the masses have cluelessly followed like sheep, and even blame themselves for "Lack of willpower" or "Just bad genetics, I guess!". Joseph Goebbels himself would be green with envy at the level of human suffering and destruction so easily wrought by simple tools of mass destruction like the food pyramid (now "My Plate"), introduction of poisonous industrial seed oils, sugar by ten thousand names and the cholesterol hoax.
Huh? I honestly don't know a single person that was even mildly influenced by the food pyramid. People are fat because fast food is cheap and convenient. People are fat because restaurants don't ever want to be known as the restaurant that charges too much for too little, so they load up their plates with garbage. You could feed a family off a single entree at Applebee's or any of those types of places. In summary, people are fat because the free market has given them exactly what they want.
Also, lifestyles have become a lot more sedentary. People move less and eat more, especially more calorically dense crap.
But YMMV blames the food pyramid. lol. What a buffoon. This is the guy who has several times on here lectured others on the fact that-
* "correlation doesn't equal causation!!" but then turns around and, almost in the same breath, says:
* 'the Gov't diet regulations came out in 1977 pushing a higher carb/less fat approach, and people have gotten fatter since, therefore........Blame the advice!'
Yes, the same guy said those 2 things. oy vay.
(and of course he conveniently ignores all other factors that actually have changed over the last 50 years and strongly contributed to our obesity epidemic. such as-
1) simply much more food produced and available for everyone
2) fast food restaurants popping up everywhere, with cheap, addictive, calorically dense foods available for little $.
3) people going out to eat (especially at above places) way more often
4) people leading more and more sedentary lifestyles, glued to the couch in front of the t.v. watching a larger and larger array of entertainment choices and playing video games
No, none of that mattered. only the Food Pyramid advice!
(and I swear to God this guy considers himself a smart person who understands Nutrition/weight loss/wellness. )
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
Huh? I honestly don't know a single person that was even mildly influenced by the food pyramid. People are fat because fast food is cheap and convenient. People are fat because restaurants don't ever want to be known as the restaurant that charges too much for too little, so they load up their plates with garbage. You could feed a family off a single entree at Applebee's or any of those types of places. In summary, people are fat because the free market has given them exactly what they want.
Also, lifestyles have become a lot more sedentary. People move less and eat more, especially more calorically dense crap.
But YMMV blames the food pyramid. lol. What a buffoon. This is the guy who has several times on here lectured others on the fact that-
* "correlation doesn't equal causation!!" but then turns around and, almost in the same breath, says:
* 'the Gov't diet regulations came out in 1977 pushing a higher carb/less fat approach, and people have gotten fatter since, therefore........Blame the advice!'
Yes, the same guy said those 2 things. oy vay.
(and of course he conveniently ignores all other factors that actually have changed over the last 50 years and strongly contributed to our obesity epidemic. such as-
1) simply much more food produced and available for everyone
2) fast food restaurants popping up everywhere, with cheap, addictive, calorically dense foods available for little $.
3) people going out to eat (especially at above places) way more often
4) people leading more and more sedentary lifestyles, glued to the couch in front of the t.v. watching a larger and larger array of entertainment choices and playing video games
No, none of that mattered. only the Food Pyramid advice!
(and I swear to God this guy considers himself a smart person who understands Nutrition/weight loss/wellness. )
Well thinking that one understands nutrition/weight loss/wellness does not mean that one actually does, as you likely know. The "cholesterol hoax" is a particularly glaring example, which illustrates the lack of basic understanding, relative to the role of cholesterol in the genesis of atherosclerotic vascular disease.
Ben & Jerry have ruined so many lives pushing their high, milk-fat content ice cream, with lots of pure sugar items thrown in.
And its selling for $3.99 a pint locally in the middle of summer.
"Gawd damn the pusher man!" By Steppenwolf, 1 968.
Boobie Lee wrote:
Because we never see prices and therefore do not choose to go to a different doctor who charges less.
Make it law to show the full prices that you will be charged so that you can choose to go to the doctor who has good reviews who charges the least.
Imagine going to Chipotle to get a Burrito and you do not see prices and then you get a statement in the mail two weeks later with a bill for $100 just for one Burrito.
Thats a reasonable approach, however pricing in the healthcare environment does not mean much. The reason is that hospitals as well as MD's work off a procedural CPT4 fee schedule, which is pre negotiated with each insurer. So whatever the price, the insurance company pays what the negotiated amount is for the service or procedure being billed. A better approach may be to require the actual negotiated fee schedule amount to be published, because this is what is used to calculate co-insurance amounts, that the patient will be required to pay. Don't ever plan on that happening though, those contractual arrangements are tightly guarded secrets. Also, the actual MD fee schedule's are but a drop in the bucket in relation to the hospital procedural fee's. For example.............I run a clinical outpatient operation, under the parent hospital license. I have under contract a group of MD's that provide the services to the patients we treat. I pay them a fixed per clinic rate for their service. The charges for the facility procedural portion of the service last month amounted to $1.3 million. based on the contractual fee schedule for the facility portion of the service, my aggregate collections will be 16.9% of gross. Based on the pre-negotiated fee schedule, my collections will be the same, irrespective of price. I could charge $4 million, I'd still get the same actual amount, my collection % relative to gross charges would just be quite a bit lower. My gross MD billings last month were $82K. For the MD portion, I collect 20%, a bit higher than the facility portion, due to the higher relative fee schedules for the MD portion of the service. I, however break even or lose a tad on the MD portion, depending on procedure mix, but its worth it to me to have MD's that show up on time, and cover for one another when one is off. I make up for it in the facility portion. My point is that this is a hugely complex issue, and pricing is but one tiny aspect of it.
Addicted to IC wrote:
Ben & Jerry have ruined so many lives pushing their high, milk-fat content ice cream, with lots of pure sugar items thrown in.
And its selling for $3.99 a pint locally in the middle of summer.
"Gawd damn the pusher man!" By Steppenwolf, 1 968.
Yes, Frank Zappa was also promoting their products in the Soviet Union way back when, the 70's I believe. I wonder if he took Bernie Sanders with him. "Back in the USSR".
Actually I am a doctor. That’s why I was able to answer the question so well. I don’t run a free clinic but provide volunteer services outside of my regular job to uninsured.
However I enjoy complaining and I’m not about to stop. ?
"The Worst Patients in the World
Americans are hypochondriacs, yet we skip our checkups. We demand drugs we don’t need, and fail to take the ones we do. No wonder the U.S. leads the world in health spending."
(The Atlantic, search for U.S. health-care, article on July 15 2019)
Former atheist wrote:
Please! You want people to actually accept personal responsibility for their health instead of blaming the government and corporations? What kind of American are you? j/k
Minor point, but I actually think fast food is expensive compared to cheap healthy groceries. However, people are addicted and can't stop eating junk, even when their lives depend on it.
Yes, no one who eats healthy ever got cancer.
Millennium Falcon wrote:
"The Worst Patients in the World
Americans are hypochondriacs, yet we skip our checkups. We demand drugs we don’t need, and fail to take the ones we do. No wonder the U.S. leads the world in health spending."
(The Atlantic, search for U.S. health-care, article on July 15 2019)
Yeah right, like writers at The Atlantic have any idea what drugs we need. If they had their way we would just get less of everything, needed and not needed alike. The checkup comment is telling—there is zero evidence that checkups are of any value. People skip them because they’re worthless, like the Atlantic.
no one cares about healthcare until they are sick wrote:
Former atheist wrote:
Please! You want people to actually accept personal responsibility for their health instead of blaming the government and corporations? What kind of American are you? j/k
Minor point, but I actually think fast food is expensive compared to cheap healthy groceries. However, people are addicted and can't stop eating junk, even when their lives depend on it.
Yes, no one who eats healthy ever got cancer.
All degenerative diseases such as cancer and heart disease, diabetes and hypertension have a genetic component to them. And depending on where one is on the genetic predisposition scale, the risk of disease development over time will be higher or lower, or close to non existent. Modifying ones known risk factors for the disease in question is thus good idea, as one may be able to extend the length of time before the genetic predisposition manifests, if it does at all. I've seen and worked with people on both ends of the standard distribution scale, as well as those in between.
iflyboats wrote:
Yeah right, like writers at The Atlantic have any idea what drugs we need. If they had their way we would just get less of everything, needed and not needed alike. The checkup comment is telling—there is zero evidence that checkups are of any value. People skip them because they’re worthless, like the Atlantic.
Is that true about zero evidence for annual checkups? I figured annual checkups were probably the most valuable thing, because they are the only thing my for-profit insurer covers 100% without meeting my deductible. So, the insurance company must think they offer some value.