'I cheat because others cheat': Kenya struggles against doping

X10 wrote:

You think it's bad in Kenya? Wait until they open Pandora's box: Ethiopia.

Dead on... and then onto Uganda

No no. Bordin absolutely no ! Don’t tell random names. If you have clues ok, if you have not, shut up

Exactly what it was like before out of competition testing came in 1989. As for the risks, they are overblown. Anyone with a shred of intelligence, or guidance, can steer clear of health problems (as much as one ever could from ingesting any drugs).

I applaud these Kenyans.

Of course it has health risks. But, when option A is walk 5 miles to get water from a river that will likely give you malaria or intestinal worms, and option B is stick needles in your arms, butt, legs where the risks may or may not happen to you then all of us posting today will choose option B.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. US.

But that's why you see America falling behind the marathon game. In America we can easily get jobs that pay the bills. There's very little incentive to take the health risks involved with PEDs.

You're quote about just let it happen is exactly what is happening in the NFL. A minority of people don't care if they get CTE or paralyzed because option A is live in the ghetto your whole life and end up in jail or dead. While option B is just let the health risk happen and enjoy life while you can and move your family our of the ghetto.

mooonshot wrote:

I applaud these Kenyans.

For what? ?

I think this is a big reason people cheat. The assumption everyone else is and I have to in order to keep up.

When you can make a lot of money by winning a few races and be set financially, it is not hard to understand why someone would cheat. People cheat to get into law schools or med schools or just on an exam. That cheating on an exam is not likely to make one bit of difference in one's lifetime earnings either.

I like the way your think. Damn good post

Stupid post. Not every Kenyan using drugs fits "option A" and has to "5 miles to get water from a river...", etc, etc and not "EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. US." would even if we were in that position. Talk about drawing a long bow and making generalizations lol. And as for the NFL generalizations re ghetto, etc, you need to get a grip on reality.

mooonshot wrote:

I applaud these Kenyans.

+1

Everybody cheats, it's human nature.

When I was injecting myself with EPO to go from 2:00 to 1:52, that's what I kept telling myself. I cheat because others cheat.

Luv2Run wrote:

I think this is a big reason people cheat. The assumption everyone else is and I have to in order to keep up.

That was Cathal Lombard’s excuse.

EX - Runner wrote:

mooonshot wrote:

I applaud these Kenyans.

+1

Everybody cheats, it's human nature.

When I was injecting myself with EPO to go from 2:00 to 1:52, that's what I kept telling myself. I cheat because others cheat.

This attitude is killing the sport.

EX - Runner wrote:

mooonshot wrote:

I applaud these Kenyans.

+1

Everybody cheats, it's human nature.

When I was injecting myself with EPO to go from 2:00 to 1:52, that's what I kept telling myself. I cheat because others cheat.

Lies.

All countries have cheats. As far back as 1996, BBC filmed a documentary in which experts claimed that 70% of medalists at the 1996 Olympics were doping. The documentary is still on youtube.

The IOC and the IAAF knew fully well at the time what the extent of doping was.

Track will always be a sport for cheaters. Perhaps more than any other sport, your performance is greatly enhanced by doping. Its ridiculous to think as some do here that European runners are pristine while Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping.

milermb wrote:

This is the argument of every person caught cheating, from Armstrong and all other cyclists who have been caught to Ben Johnson whose coach said that you either take the PEDs or set your blocks up a couple of metres behind the rest of the 100 field.

The argument has been proven true in the case of cycling. From the very first 1903 edition up to present time. If you know cycling history, you'll know that the use of amphetamines wasn't even considered a big deal until the 1960s, it was considered necessary to complete the race. Tom Simpson dying on Ventoux put a big spotlight on it, and for the next 20 odd years, into the 1980s, getting busted doping was just a time penalty in most cases!

Most telling is that if you look at the Tours that Armstrong won, and evaulate the top 10 in each, you'll find virtually every single rider was either eventually busted or confessed to doping.

Coevett resorting to a lot of fake posts as parodies in this thread. Poor guy.

milermb wrote:

This is the argument of every person caught cheating, from Armstrong and all other cyclists who have been caught to Ben Johnson whose coach said that you either take the PEDs or set your blocks up a couple of metres behind the rest of the 100 field.

Both Armstrong and Ben Johnson were right.

The 100m final at the 1988 Olympics is considered the dirtiest race in history. Almost everyone was cheating yet only Johnson was sacrificed because his cheating was so obvious.

Carl Lewis admitted to doping and said that hundreds of American runners were doping and failed drug tests but they skated.

Coevett and others are in denial about who is cheating.

In fact... wrote:

Avocado's Number wrote:

Nonsense. When he was 33, Mungara ran 2:10 in Mombasa, which is amazing, and ran 2:07 at both Toronto and Prague when he was 37.

You may think it's nonsense, but everything in that post is factual.

https://gc2018.com/article/kenyas-kenneth-mungara-race-ready-44

No, that post is nonsense. Kenneth Mungara was not an "unknown Kenyan who didn't have any previous performances of note" when he was "brought" to the Gold Coast Marathon. Here are some of his performances (and prizes) before he ever ran in the Gold Coast Marathon:

12 Apr 2015 1 2:08:44 RD Marathon Milan ITA SuisseGas Milano City $9,000

07 Dec 2014 1 2:16:42 RD Marathon Singapore SIN Standard Chartered Singapore $50,000

31 Aug 2014 3 2:18:32 RD Marathon Mexico City MEX Ciudad de Mexico $7,640

27 Oct 2013 1 2:11:40 RD Marathon Nairobi KEN Nairobi Standard Chartered

16 Oct 2011 1 2:09:50.3 RD Marathon Toronto ON/CAN Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront $19,800

08 May 2011 2 2:07:36 RD Marathon Prague CZE Volkswagen Prague International $53,700

05 Dec 2010 1 2:14:06 RD Marathon Singapore SIN Standard Chartered Singapore $50,600

26 Sep 2010 1 2:07:57.1 RD Marathon Toronto ON/CAN Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront $48,690

27 Sep 2009 1 2:08:31.9 RD Marathon Toronto ON/CAN Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront $41,170

10 May 2009 3 2:10:29 RD Marathon Prague CZE Prague International $8,185

18 Jan 2009 1 2:11:51 RD Marathon Mumbai IND Standard Chartered Mumbai $31,000

28 Sep 2008 1 2:11:00.9 RD Marathon Toronto ON/CAN Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront $19,260

11 May 2008 1 2:11:06 RD Marathon Prague CZE Volkswagen Prague International $24,790

10 Jan 2008 2 2:10:37 RD Marathon Tiberias ISR Tiberias International $24,000

At least two 2:07s and two 2:08s on record-quality courses; four wins in Toronto; first, second, and third in Prague; and quite a number of other wins, podium finishes, and strong times under a wide range of race conditions, including very high altitude, heat, and humidity. And as perhaps the best masters marathoner of all time, he's continued to run 2:08s and 2:09s into his mid-forties. An amazing runner.

I know, I was just stirring ? you up. ?

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