Woody Kincaid is a whiner

Chelimo has outperformed his PB/credentials throughout his career. He screws around in the US but he’s a pretty brilliant if quirky racer internationally. Woody refusing to take on the pace was a little obnoxious if he’s then gonna say anything negative about Chelimo. Chelimo did him a huge favor and was totally within rights to stop hauling them. Woody miscalculated probably because of how fast it went out.

My tablet wrote:

Chelimo is a spaz racer, which is why he never wins at the international level. He all over the place, can’t relax, and is often grabbing people in the last hundred. He almost lost his Olympic medal and didn’t learn from it. How many times has he made contact with others in the last hundred.

Having said that, Woody was brave to go with that crazy pace the first 1000m. Had it been more sane, he probably would have taken the lead. I’m sure he was hurting after that fast early pace, and was just trying to survive the rest of the race at a more reasonable pace.

I’m glad Chelimo lost that one.

GBohannon wrote:

Maybe the resolution was poor on my TV. How do we know Kincaid was upset? It looked to me like he just waved him off as to say, “I don’t want to lead!” You can do that without being upset. Is it proper etiquette? I guess not.

This. Kincaid was not upset at all, he was just refusing to lead, and if you've ever seen what happens to the leaders in these races then you would know that it is the smart thing to do. If he lead and pushed the pace he would of ended up way back once everyone kicked. He ran smart and ended up a little short.

Agree with you wrote:

GBohannon wrote:

Maybe the resolution was poor on my TV. How do we know Kincaid was upset? It looked to me like he just waved him off as to say, “I don’t want to lead!” You can do that without being upset. Is it proper etiquette? I guess not.

This. Kincaid was not upset at all, he was just refusing to lead, and if you've ever seen what happens to the leaders in these races then you would know that it is the smart thing to do. If he lead and pushed the pace he would of ended up way back once everyone kicked. He ran smart and ended up a little short.

He still did not get the standard. He didn't go for it which was the entire point of competing. Even if he's not a whiner and not upset he should be upset at himself. He had it and didn't take the opportunity.

Agree with you wrote:

GBohannon wrote:

Maybe the resolution was poor on my TV. How do we know Kincaid was upset? It looked to me like he just waved him off as to say, “I don’t want to lead!” You can do that without being upset. Is it proper etiquette? I guess not.

This. Kincaid was not upset at all, he was just refusing to lead, and if you've ever seen what happens to the leaders in these races then you would know that it is the smart thing to do. If he lead and pushed the pace he would of ended up way back once everyone kicked. He ran smart and ended up a little short.

+1

Did the right thing.

Doozyofatwosie wrote:

Agree with you wrote:

This. Kincaid was not upset at all, he was just refusing to lead, and if you've ever seen what happens to the leaders in these races then you would know that it is the smart thing to do. If he lead and pushed the pace he would of ended up way back once everyone kicked. He ran smart and ended up a little short.

He still did not get the standard. He didn't go for it which was the entire point of competing. Even if he's not a whiner and not upset he should be upset at himself. He had it and didn't take the opportunity.

I think the thread title (as it often does) is misleading. Didn't see anything about him whining, could someone find a link? He just didn't take the lead when it was his turn, which caused him to miss the WC. His race by itself was a self-determined success. His race measured by the objectives (13:22 or bust), was a self-determined failure.

The first three runners all ran very poorly the first 1600, not in a focused manner to run their best, nor the best way to win. Interestingly, Chelimo who led the way too fast start ended up not winning, while Lemong and Kincaid failed to even run the standard.

It was quite an embarrassing way to run for all three of them.

A focused runner of their quality would have run even 62s the first 4 laps while the others were wasting their energies, then would have both easily won the race and smashed the standard.

This race reminded me of the 1972 Olympic 10,000.

Actually 65s would have been plenty fast enough.

The point was to run even pace and to not waste the energy.

dunes runner wrote:

The first three runners all ran very poorly the first 1600, not in a focused manner to run their best, nor the best way to win. Interestingly, Chelimo who led the way too fast start ended up not winning, while Lemong and Kincaid failed to even run the standard.

It was quite an embarrassing way to run for all three of them.

A focused runner of their quality would have run even 62s the first 4 laps while the others were wasting their energies, then would have both easily won the race and smashed the standard.

This race reminded me of the 1972 Olympic 10,000.

Yeah. If you're going to criticize Woody's strategy, going out at sub 4 pace would seem to be the real mistake. His decision to not take the lead was a pretty minor mistake in comparison. Not sure why everyone is harping on the latter and ignoring the former.

So he made two mistakes then? That's not any better for him.

Doozyofatwosie wrote:

Elvin wrote:

Yeah. If you're going to criticize Woody's strategy, going out at sub 4 pace would seem to be the real mistake. His decision to not take the lead was a pretty minor mistake in comparison. Not sure why everyone is harping on the latter and ignoring the former.

So he made two mistakes then? That's not any better for him.

Good counting. I didn't say it was any better for him.

Chelimo did woody a favor by running a 57 first lap? gtfo. He went out hard in hopes no one went with him just like 2017 us outdoor 5k and 2017 us indoor 2mile, so he could coast to an easy win. Only difference this time is woody and lopez called his bluff.

I don't know about you but if someone tries to ambush the race and then attempts to sabotage my chances by throwing in ridiculous surges, last thing im doing is helping them push the pace.

Im glad he's no longer saluting at the finish line after he took the first opportunity to get out of the army.

how cringy does his quote about being ready to die for the army sound now that shadrack and chelimo left the army soon as their contract was up?

Hilarious. They called his bluff and didn't get the standard. Lomong was basically trolling as there was no way he was going to race the 5k in Doha. It was a bad move to follow Chelimo for Woody. That is a fact. He already made his bed with that poor decision and followed it up by giving himself no chance to achieve the standard. That was no fault but his own as he should have known Chelimo didn't need the standard and Lomong had no reason to care for the standard. Lomong was going to go for the win no matter what but he was not going to push. Only Woody was going to push for the standard. It was his only choice and he blew it.

Woody should of obviously had the standard going in so that he could run tactically.

Since he didn’t he should of paced himself to hit the standard no matter where the leader was.

Chelimo shouldn’t expect anyone to lead especially after he takes it out in 58.

Woody Kincaid is a whiner wrote:

Totally unprofessional during the 5k. Why is the guy getting upset so easily?

Hold up. How do you know if he actually got mad? The dude hasn't even said anything lmao.

Woody is under no obligation to take the lead in that situation. This was a championship 5k, not a marathon or a diamond league 10k chasing times.

Chelimo was playing mind games with the field the entire race, and then he starts acting like he's entitled to have someone else help him out at the front. If you don't want to lead like that, don't take it out in 57 my man! I found the whole back and forth highly entertaining.

Chelimo singlehandedly trolled the 5k race.

And you spelled "winner" incorrectly

While Chelimo lost the race, who went home DEVASTATED?? That’s right...W. Kincaid. That is what happens if you jog 70s laps.

Bonkers wrote:

Woody is under no obligation to take the lead in that situation. This was a championship 5k, not a marathon or a diamond league 10k chasing times. .

True, Woody was under no obligation to take the lead, but his cowardice did screw him out of any chance to make the worlds team. You are correct, it was a championship 5k, and by definition that means the only thing that matters is being the top 3 WC eligible places, which was 5th place. Woody was not top 3 eligible , as such 3rd was no better than being last.

There are not "un-written rules" in track and field and running.

This is not cycling. This is not baseball.

The word "domestique" does not apply.