Woody Kincaid is a whiner

You’d be like that too if your parents had named you Woody

To be fair, Chelimo was being a d**k

If Woody wasn’t too scared to lead a couple 68’s instead of 70’s, he could’ve gotten the standard. What a wimp.

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. It might not have been the smartest move in hindsight, but I don't really blame him for getting a little pissed off. Chelimo's actions could easily be interpreted in the heat of the moment as "You're not winning anyway, why don't you take the lead." He wasn't asking Lomong to take the lead was he?

In the end, respect to Woody for taking a shot, even if he possibly bungled the execution in the midst of the race.

Chelimo is in a race, and you're complaining about someone else?

Modern day high estrogen low testosterone males.

all fair, them's the rules wrote:

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. e.

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

malmo wrote:

all fair, them's the rules wrote:

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. e.

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

Was it also poetic justice for Lopez Lomong to win and not make the 5k team because he too didn't step up and lead when Chelimo offered?

NotFarEnough wrote:

malmo wrote:

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

Was it also poetic justice for Lopez Lomong to win and not make the 5k team because he too didn't step up and lead when Chelimo offered?

Nope. Lomong already made the team in the 10,000 -- by stepping up bigtime.

malmo wrote:

all fair, them's the rules wrote:

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. e.

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

Don't pretend you're a cyclist, Malmo. There are no domestiques at national championships in track and it's a horrible analogy. Kincaid didn't do anything to disrespect Chelimo. What Kincaid did wrong was to allow himself to be emotional.

If you want to compare this to cycling, then Kincaid's defense is "hey, i'm just covering moves". Chelimo had every right to ask for help, but Kincaid and Lomong had every right to say "sorry buddy, we are just on your tail because we don't want let you get a gap and we're fine if the field comes back to us."

Kincaid was way too emotional, absolutely.

interesting seeing a topic whining about a guy who was allegedly whining.

malmo wrote:

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help.

This is a pretty retarded viewpoint. Chelimo chose to take the lead knowing full well that he might get stuck there. The others are under no obligation to share the pacing duties in a championship race. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the poor Olympic silver medalist having to lead a race in which he was clearly the class of the field (at least going into the race)?

In retrospect Woody probably should have tried to push the pace, but he certainly shouldn't feel sorry for Chelimo.

Malmo/others

HOw is NOBODY mentioning the fact that Chelimo took it out too fast. If they go through 800 in 203-204 instead of 157, they all run under 1322.

And the tour "boss" and domestiques analogy has nothing to do with track and field. Domestiques exist because cycling is a team sport. TandF is NOT.

malmo wrote:

all fair, them's the rules wrote:

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. e.

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

Malmo is generally correct here. This is sort of an unwritten rule among elite runners and not everyone subscribes to it. But if you want respect you will.

Chelimo took the race out in like 58, then kept pushing. HE disrupted the entire race doing this, then after they start to settle in, he expects somebody else to take the lead after the trainwreck of a 5k he caused? Nobody should want to take the lead after that. You make your bed, and then you lie in it.

NotFarEnough wrote:

malmo wrote:

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

Was it also poetic justice for Lopez Lomong to win and not make the 5k team because he too didn't step up and lead when Chelimo offered?

Lomong wasn't crying and whining about it so not sure why you think that's even semi-related to the conversation.

Malmo is right. Woody had a chance to run faster during the race and he chose not to. That's 100% his fault. There's cash money on the line, so why would the others sacrifice themselves so that Woody can run a few seconds faster? The easiest solution would be he runs a race the week before... Or two weeks before to get the standard.

malmo wrote:

all fair, them's the rules wrote:

To be fair, Chelimo was kind of disrespecting him. e.

100% WRONG. Kincaid is a domestique. He needs to earn his chops before disrespecting the leader of the peloton.

Chelimo took the burden of the pace on his shoulders, even though he didn't need to. When it was "your turn" all of the leeches refused to help. It was poetic justice for Kincaid to finish third and not make the team because he didn't man up.

Maybe next time he'll get after it and make his own destiny. It's something you gotta do...

+1

By somewhere about 1800m in, app. 3200m to go, Chelimo no longer wanted to lead. All Kincaid had to do was race from 1800m to 4200m in sub-6:30. Winning the race should not have been Kincaid's goal. Kincaid had two goals: 1) Finish in 13:22.49; 2) Finish 3rd. Chelimo was looking out for Kincaid. Basically, Chelimo was letting Kincaid know it was his turn. Kincaid took it as if Chelimo was playing a game of high level psych ops. Next year Kincaid, time qualify in June or go out and run 64 second laps and get on the team.

Chelimo is a spaz racer, which is why he never wins at the international level. He all over the place, can’t relax, and is often grabbing people in the last hundred. He almost lost his Olympic medal and didn’t learn from it. How many times has he made contact with others in the last hundred.

Having said that, Woody was brave to go with that crazy pace the first 1000m. Had it been more sane, he probably would have taken the lead. I’m sure he was hurting after that fast early pace, and was just trying to survive the rest of the race at a more reasonable pace.

I’m glad Chelimo lost that one.

Maybe the resolution was poor on my TV. How do we know Kincaid was upset? It looked to me like he just waved him off as to say, “I don’t want to lead!” You can do that without being upset. Is it proper etiquette? I guess not.