90's Chinese Women

Possibly they just trained harder. They ran up to 40 km a day in the off season.

They weren't biological women?

They drank turtle blood.....

Think it was early EPO plus way harder training.

epoepo wrote:

Think it was early EPO plus way harder training.

A 2007 study from another Danish group showed that time-to-exhaustion at 80% of VO2max was increased by about 54% after just 4 weeks of EPO. Over the same time period, VO2max (i.e. maximal oxygen transport) increased by just 12.6%.

So while VO2MAX improves and allows faster times and recovery from mileage and workouts, the key thing here is being able to get in 50% more volume at threshold. They were able to do ridiculous amount of threshold training due to EPO training, which made them so fast.

That's also the reason why many people question El Guerrouj, his super-hero workouts and training would kill any clean 3:30 runner after a few days/weeks.

'90s, not 90's.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

epoepo wrote:

Think it was early EPO plus way harder training.

A 2007 study from another Danish group showed that time-to-exhaustion at 80% of VO2max was increased by about 54% after just 4 weeks of EPO. Over the same time period, VO2max (i.e. maximal oxygen transport) increased by just 12.6%.

So while VO2MAX improves and allows faster times and recovery from mileage and workouts, the key thing here is being able to get in 50% more volume at threshold. They were able to do ridiculous amount of threshold training due to EPO training, which made them so fast.

That's also the reason why many people question El Guerrouj, his super-hero workouts and training would kill any clean 3:30 runner after a few days/weeks.

Reminds me of Ramzi 8 x 1k in 2:30 with 90 second rest. . .

It's a communism thing.

Go look at the east German women from the 70s and look at their times, especially for swimming.

Fred Kerly was labeled the next big thing, only to be shown up by norman

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Fred Kerly was labeled the next big thing, only to be shown up by norman

and now he gets some attention back!

bad race by norman

What kind of weird ass title is this?

You really couldn't think of anything better.

Back when men were men and so were women wrote:

They weren't biological women?

Well there was that one child policy where many females were aborted.

None of Chinese women produced GDR (East Germany) sprint performances.

None of Chinese women were able to race 800m/1500m sub-1:55 & sub-3:55. Soviets had two women who have sub-1:55 & sub-3:55 800m/1500m personal bests.

They were going full-throttle with EPO & using androgens. General Ma's training was brutal and probably borderline inhumane - no athlete could survive that without the massive use of PEDs. Insane times and their Olympic/WC medal count was also impressive.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/jul/24/athletics.duncanmackay1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/chinese-runners-revealed-state-sponsored-doping-in-1995-1757222603/amp

https://www.espn.com/olympics/news/story?id=2560820

All the alleged juice the Chinese women 1500m runners were supposedly on. Why no elite 200m Chinese women from 1990's? Why no elite 400m Chinese women from 1990's? Why no elite 800m Chinese women from 1990's?

Not necessarily, Maybe not dirty? wrote:

All the alleged juice the Chinese women 1500m runners were supposedly on. Why no elite 200m Chinese women from 1990's? Why no elite 400m Chinese women from 1990's? Why no elite 800m Chinese women from 1990's?

You're absolutely right about that - no denying your research. However, since the Chinese women were excelling at the disciplines of the 1500 up through the 5,000 - EPO would have been more of a benefit where the aerobic energy system is far greater than sprints and even the 800:

"The relative aerobic energy system contribution (based on AOD measures) for the 3000 m was 86% (male) and 94% (female), while for the 1500 m it was 77% (male) and 86% (female)"

Sep.-Oct. 1994 - Chinese Swimmers Fail Drug Tests Three Times More Than Any Other Nation

China wins 12 of 16 gold medals at the Sep. 1994 FINA World Championships in Rome, casting suspicion on that nation's swimmers, who suddenly began winning medals in the early 1990s. The Chinese women dominate in swimming at the Oct. 1994 Asian Games, but suspicions of doping are confirmed as eleven Chinese athletes test positive for steroids after the competition and are stripped of 22 medals. The suspension of many Chinese swimmers results in only one gold medal won by the national team at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

More than 40 Chinese swimmers fail drug tests between 1990 and 2000, triple the amount of any other nation's swim team in that same time period.

eeheheehhe wrote:

What did they have that no one else has been able to duplicate?

What they had were a population of 1.2 billion(at that time), that they could test to find a handful of 46xy females that they were able to turn into Ma's Army. UTFO, now you know.

Epo and steroids,i think.i also remember a chinese woman running under 50 seconds in the 400,and a sprinter running 10.79.