Sprintgeezer wrote:
They could do this wrote:
...and the SJWs would string them up.
Who cares. To thine own self be true.
Good for him.
Exactly.
In years from now he'll still be able to hold his head
Sprintgeezer wrote:
They could do this wrote:
...and the SJWs would string them up.
Who cares. To thine own self be true.
Good for him.
Exactly.
In years from now he'll still be able to hold his head
yeahbudddy wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Who cares. To thine own self be true.
Good for him.
Easy to say when your livelihood isn't on the line.
History is on his side.
And livelihoods are more common than principles.
Hold to your principles and you'll not be wrong.
Not Slow twitch wrote:
What you are not understanding is evidence. Simply claiming to be Chinese doesn't constitute evidence. Even if the claim is true, it is not possible for an individual to know the entirety of China, which is a big place and has alot of people. I bet you've only visited a little fraction of China on got to know, maybe a few hundred people. To make claim like you did is baseless.
You provide a perspective, that's all. Western people like to hear what you are saying, because they reinforce their prejudice against China. So even though what you claimed against Chinese is extremely racist, if applied against some other race people here would be up in arms. But since it's against Chinese, people nod their heads in agreement to what obviously racist.
Seyta wrote:
No, it is not. Again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding our culture. We KNOW that we cheat. It is universally acknowledged internally by us, because in our view, all other countries are "cheating" as well. To us, drugging up an athlete is "cheating" in name, but not "cheating" in spirit. To not use any means necessary to achieve success is the pinnacle of stupidity. No actual Chinese individual you speak to would even remotely consider this racism. In fact, we generally take pride in something like this.
Let me give you a few more examples.
- In China, it is absolutely understood that every successful parent should take any measures to ensure their child's success. If an executive of a major Chinese business grants a high-level position to a son or daughter who absolutely lacks the qualifications, it is celebrated.
- In China, it is celebrated to flaunt your wealth. A wealthy second-generation son or daughter is actually held in high regard for being the child of a wealthy family, despite doing nothing to actually earn the wealth.
- In China, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. We literally have courses teaching Chinese students how to game the American college admissions system. An individual fully fluent in both English and Chinese can pocket $10,000 for taking a few days to write a high-quality admissions essay for a wealthy Chinese patron. I am being blunt here. This is not like SAT prep courses in the US. We quite literally have people do the work for the students as long as they pay enough.
Even with this, I doubt you will understand, given that you are so far removed from anything REMOTELY Chinese. I would suggest that you start with popular Chinese novels or authors, such as Jin Yong, or recent drama series such as Wu Dong Qian Kun or Dou Po Cang Qiong. They'll give you a little more insight into how Chinese individuals actually perceive things.
Not (too bright) Slow Twitch,
Seyta stated that he/she is Chinese and has moved away from there so they obviously know the culture. You don't need to grandstand and try and stand-up for another group of people just because you feel bad for them somehow that they've embraced a culture of "win-at-all-costs" no matter how much cheating it takes. Anyone without their head in the sand should be VERY skeptical of anything coming from China, whether it is technology, consumer goods, political ideology, or professional athletes. Add in the fact that Sun has multiple doping red flags in his past is more than enough for someone to protest him.
oboeviolin wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Who cares. To thine own self be true.
Good for him.
Exactly.
In years from now he'll still be able to hold his head
Horton is a poor loser.
He didn't refuse the podium when he won Gold in an earlier match up - and wouldn't have if he had done so again.
This is a crass display of poor sportsmanship.
Kinda like this...
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/61808000/jpg/_61808558_radcliffe_epo2_640.jpgErnest wrote:
Horton is a poor loser.
He didn't refuse the podium when he won Gold in an earlier match up - and wouldn't have if he had done so again.
This is a crass display of poor sportsmanship.
Kinda like this...
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/61808000/jpg/_61808558_radcliffe_epo2_640.jpg
Hey sparky, you're talking about poor sportsmanship? What do you think about Sun then? What he is doing is a 1000x worse. It's really criminality. Or are we now going to put Armstrong on our shoulders and praise him...shower him with gifts..encourage his behavior?
Am I missing something here? You're comparing things that aren't the same. The swimmer didn't share the stand b/c their competitor was doping & smashed their viles. That's like an 800 runner not sharing the stage with Wilson b/c she ate tainted beef.
Hey ernie wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Horton is a poor loser.
He didn't refuse the podium when he won Gold in an earlier match up - and wouldn't have if he had done so again.
This is a crass display of poor sportsmanship.
Kinda like this...
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/61808000/jpg/_61808558_radcliffe_epo2_640.jpgHey sparky, you're talking about poor sportsmanship? What do you think about Sun then? What he is doing is a 1000x worse. It's really criminality. Or are we now going to put Armstrong on our shoulders and praise him...shower him with gifts..encourage his behavior?
Calling out Horton's poor sportsmanship here is not the same as celebrating all drug cheats.
Sun was cleared for participation.
If Horton has a problem with that, his beef should be with WADA and his sport's governing body.
Acting like a petulant child on National TV isn't an appropriate way to express his disappointment at having finishing second to someone he feels didn't deserve to be there.
That makes him look like a poor-sport cry baby loser... and reflects badly on him and his Team/Country.
Detti didn't have a problem celebrating his medal...
From what I have seen, Sun is a jerk-off.
All possible doping aside, his conduct in aquatic facilities is unacceptable. The question each of his competitors must answer is how to deal with that situation.
I can tell you that if he pulled his shxt back in the day as a track sprinter where I was, he would have had to back it up in a serious way. Maybe he could, maybe he couldn’t—either way, he would have been tested.
Swimmers are more civilized. And far less effective at policing their own.
Ernest wrote:
Horton is a poor loser.
He didn't refuse the podium when he won Gold in an earlier match up - and wouldn't have if he had done so again.
This is a crass display of poor sportsmanship.
Kinda like this...
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/61808000/jpg/_61808558_radcliffe_epo2_640.jpg
Horton and Radcliffe are the same kind of CHEATERS that should never be allowed to compete with real athletes.
Swim geezer wrote:
I used to swim on US teams that Sprintgeezer refers to as being so noble, and can verify first hand that every single one of them had an internal doping program that is covered up Nationally. YES every top level in the US participates in and KNOWS first hand about he US - and Australian - doping programs. Folks, this is big stuff.
US / Australian and UK athletes talk all the time about trashing China and making baseless comments about athletes from other countries (Russia, for example) for two primary reasons, (1) to disparage them, and (2) for covering up what the US / Australian / UK teams are doing. This is the same old false flag tactic, of doping yourself, while accusing someone else and/or some other country of being the dopers.
That doesn't surprise me.
dunes runner wrote:
Swim geezer wrote:
I used to swim on US teams that Sprintgeezer refers to as being so noble, and can verify first hand that every single one of them had an internal doping program that is covered up Nationally. YES every top level in the US participates in and KNOWS first hand about he US - and Australian - doping programs. Folks, this is big stuff.
US / Australian and UK athletes talk all the time about trashing China and making baseless comments about athletes from other countries (Russia, for example) for two primary reasons, (1) to disparage them, and (2) for covering up what the US / Australian / UK teams are doing. This is the same old false flag tactic, of doping yourself, while accusing someone else and/or some other country of being the dopers.
That doesn't surprise me.
I didn’t say they were noble.
But at the same time, I would bet a lot on the proposition that Ledecky is clean, and always has been. Same with Franklin, btw. Both WR-holders.
Ledecky’s pool and community were my wife’s pool and community. Small place. Doping would be incredibly shameful and totally out of line—the attitude is that there would be nothing worthwhile to be gained, and everything to be lost. Not everybody exalts athletic performance.
dunes runner wrote:
Swim geezer wrote:
I used to swim on US teams that Sprintgeezer refers to as being so noble, and can verify first hand that every single one of them had an internal doping program that is covered up Nationally. YES every top level in the US participates in and KNOWS first hand about he US - and Australian - doping programs. Folks, this is big stuff.
US / Australian and UK athletes talk all the time about trashing China and making baseless comments about athletes from other countries (Russia, for example) for two primary reasons, (1) to disparage them, and (2) for covering up what the US / Australian / UK teams are doing. This is the same old false flag tactic, of doping yourself, while accusing someone else and/or some other country of being the dopers.
That doesn't surprise me.
If you actually believe what this dunce troll says than you're an even bigger dunce than I thought.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
I didn’t say they were noble.
But at the same time, I would bet a lot on the proposition that Ledecky is clean, and always has been. Same with Franklin, btw. Both WR-holders.
Ledecky’s pool and community were my wife’s pool and community. Small place. Doping would be incredibly shameful and totally out of line—the attitude is that there would be nothing worthwhile to be gained, and everything to be lost. Not everybody exalts athletic performance.
If you actually believe what this dunce troll says than you're an even bigger dunce than I thought.
Are the options on here important enough to warrant a Chinese propaganda shill? The dude claiming he was in a national swim team and that all UK and Aust swimmers dope. What a moron?
uhhh, my younger brother was on a national swim team. Pretty close to the top 3 in his discipline. They are not doping.
Well I would just like to bring to the attention of a female Cassie Fien who tested positive for PED in April 2017. She won the Sydney Harbour 10k in July of that year and is still recognised as the winner and to my understanding still took home and didn't have to pay back the $2000 first place prize.
Have no problem with what has occured but don't throw stones if the same rules are applied to the even smallest level.
This is completely unrelated to the issue.
From what I've heard about the Cassie Fien case, it was likely due to not knowing what was in the supplements she was taking rather than knowingly doping. She tested positive for Higenamine, it's not like she was pumped full of EPO. I think the 9 month ban was appropriate.
ohmyohmy wrote:
Well I would just like to bring to the attention of a female Cassie Fien who tested positive for PED in April 2017. She won the Sydney Harbour 10k in July of that year and is still recognised as the winner and to my understanding still took home and didn't have to pay back the $2000 first place prize.
Have no problem with what has occured but don't throw stones if the same rules are applied to the even smallest level.
And how do you know Horton and/or her competitors are happy about her? Have you asked them?
What should have happened already is that once one has been caught doping they should have all of their PRs, records, medals taken away and never allowed to be in competition again. Kind of like Lance Armstrong was banned and got all of his TDF wins removed.
In the history of Australian swimming, two have served drug bans (minor over the counter medicine for heath issues)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Doping_cases_in_Australian_swimming
China have had, too many to count
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