Galen Rupp 12:58.9 Jakob Ingebrigsten 13:02.03 (Alberto Inferior to Gjert Ingebrigsten as Coach)

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

NOPe wrote:

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

So you're saying that Rupp would have run another 12:59 that night?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

NOPe wrote:

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

So you're saying that Rupp would have run another 12:59 that night?

Maybe maybe not. 12:58.9 was his pb so maybe he could have matched that. There is always a chance he could have run 12:55 or so, but very unlikely considering he showed himself to be falling off the leaders in 12:55 ish races.

NOPe wrote:

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Seyta wrote:

NOPe wrote:

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Indoor tracks now and days are faster, his fastest outdoor 3000 was 7:43.

XC 666 wrote:

Seyta wrote:

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Indoor tracks now and days are faster, his fastest outdoor 3000 was 7:43.

No.

Seyta wrote:

NOPe wrote:

SDSU Aztec

Your problem is the facts. Because the facts are not on your side, you are engaging in speculation. You need to ask yourself whether somebody who apparently was able to run very good 10000m races in just a few attempts but was unable to run "equivalent" 5000m races despite many more attempts was simply cursed with unpalatable circumstances every time he ran a 5000m race or whether he was simply better at 10000m races. Facts are stubborn things and so are unreasonable posters.

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Seyta

Again I am dealing in facts. What I see there is that Galen generally ran faster indoors. Those are your facts. Galen broke 13 once out of many attempts. Facts.

XC 666 wrote:

Seyta wrote:

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Indoor tracks now and days are faster, his fastest outdoor 3000 was 7:43.

Nearly every high school, college, and professional athlete (along with their coaches) would disagree with you.

The only people who even remotely consider this to be a possibility are a small handful of people on these message boards.

8675309 wrote:

XC 666 wrote:

Indoor tracks now and days are faster, his fastest outdoor 3000 was 7:43.

No.

Than why is his indoor mile/3000 faster than his outdoor mile/3000?

Seyta wrote:

XC 666 wrote:

Indoor tracks now and days are faster, his fastest outdoor 3000 was 7:43.

Nearly every high school, college, and professional athlete (along with their coaches) would disagree with you.

The only people who even remotely consider this to be a possibility are a small handful of people on these message boards.

Galen Rupp outdoor 3000 is 13 seconds slower than his indoor 3000 PB.

NOPe wrote:

Seyta wrote:

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Seyta

Again I am dealing in facts. What I see there is that Galen generally ran faster indoors. Those are your facts. Galen broke 13 once out of many attempts. Facts.

Facts also indicate that Mo Farah could only run a 7:32 3000m despite having a 12:53 5000m coupled with a 3:28 1500m.

Similarly, they indicate that Evan Jager lacked the ability to break 8:00 in the Steeplechase, that Kenenisa Bekele cannot run faster than an 8:13 2-Mile or break 60 minutes in the Half-Marathon, and that Sammy Wanjiru could not run faster than 13:12 for the 5000m, despite having run 26:41 for the 10000m.

Drawing conclusions from facts is generally reasonable. There are some cases where using certain facts to draw conclusions is idiotic. Each of these cases above, along with Rupp's 5000m ability, is an example of the latter.

NOPe wrote:

Seyta wrote:

This would only work if Rupp did not not also have a 3:34, 3:50i, 7:30i, 8:07i, and 13:01i.

It makes absolutely no sense that someone with this set of times coupled with a 26:44 10K had a 12:58 limit at the 5K. In fact, the 3000m and 10000m times alone should indicate this.

Seyta

Again I am dealing in facts. What I see there is that Galen generally ran faster indoors. Those are your facts. Galen broke 13 once out of many attempts. Facts.

Your facts are based on the idea that there is no such thing as a soft PR.

Let's compare Ritz and Rupp: Rupp was inarguably faster at 1500/mile and had an edge at 3000 of 7:30 to 7:39. So when they run 5000, Ritz takes him, but Rupp rallies in the 10K to beat him by about 40 seconds. Yeah, right.

XC 666 wrote:

Seyta wrote:

Nearly every high school, college, and professional athlete (along with their coaches) would disagree with you.

The only people who even remotely consider this to be a possibility are a small handful of people on these message boards.

Galen Rupp outdoor 3000 is 13 seconds slower than his indoor 3000 PB.

And Mo Farah's indoor 1500m is 11 seconds slower than his outdoor 1500m, indoor 5000m is 16 seconds slower than his outdoor 5000m, and indoor Mile and 3000m times are both 1 second slower than his outdoor equivalents.

In fact, track athletes are almost universally faster outdoors compared to indoors. Cases where the opposite is true are, relatively speaking, very rare. You have my permission to scour through every athlete's PRs to disprove this statement if you want. Once you are finished, I promise that I will take the number of incidents you find and present you with triple the number in my favor.

Seyta wrote:

XC 666 wrote:

Galen Rupp outdoor 3000 is 13 seconds slower than his indoor 3000 PB.

And Mo Farah's indoor 1500m is 11 seconds slower than his outdoor 1500m, indoor 5000m is 16 seconds slower than his outdoor 5000m, and indoor Mile and 3000m times are both 1 second slower than his outdoor equivalents.

In fact, track athletes are almost universally faster outdoors compared to indoors. Cases where the opposite is true are, relatively speaking, very rare. You have my permission to scour through every athlete's PRs to disprove this statement if you want. Once you are finished, I promise that I will take the number of incidents you find and present you with triple the number in my favor.

That's mainly due to training phases. When Mo Farah set his indoor PBs that was during a heavy training block of 200+ km a week.

Rupp ran 13:01 indoors and you think 12:58 represents the best he could do?

wtf dude wrote:

Rupp ran 13:01 indoors and you think 12:58 represents the best he could do?

Yes. 12:58 is very close to maximum. Isiah Koech ran 12:53.29 indoors and 12:48.64 outdoors in Paris. Could Galen have run 12:56.61, a similar 4.65 second gap from his 13:01.26 indoor pb? Maybe. Galen ran close to his maximum at 5000m. Closer than Kenenisa did. Galen had pacemakers for his entire 5000m races. Kenenisa did not.

NOPe wrote:

wtf dude wrote:

Rupp ran 13:01 indoors and you think 12:58 represents the best he could do?

Yes. 12:58 is very close to maximum. Isiah Koech ran 12:53.29 indoors and 12:48.64 outdoors in Paris. Could Galen have run 12:56.61, a similar 4.65 second gap from his 13:01.26 indoor pb? Maybe. Galen ran close to his maximum at 5000m. Closer than Kenenisa did. Galen had pacemakers for his entire 5000m races. Kenenisa did not.

How close did Galen run to his 10k maximum?

XC 666 wrote:

8675309 wrote:

No.

Than why is his indoor mile/3000 faster than his outdoor mile/3000?

Since 2009, Rupp has run:

Indoor

mile - 7 times

3k - 16 times

Outdoor

mile - 3 times

3k - 4 times

See if you can figure out why is indoor PRs at these distances are faster.

wtf dude wrote:

NOPe wrote:

Yes. 12:58 is very close to maximum. Isiah Koech ran 12:53.29 indoors and 12:48.64 outdoors in Paris. Could Galen have run 12:56.61, a similar 4.65 second gap from his 13:01.26 indoor pb? Maybe. Galen ran close to his maximum at 5000m. Closer than Kenenisa did. Galen had pacemakers for his entire 5000m races. Kenenisa did not.

How close did Galen run to his 10k maximum?

Probably 99.99%, probably could've sneaked under 26:40.