Holy Moly!! A legit 18 year old just ran 13:02!! J. Ingebrigtsen 53 last 400m.

theres all kinds of rattinling going on wrote:

Lol. Sounds like Jakob has a lot of people rattled. When he is challenging and in the middle of overtaking all their heroes, while not appearing as what they like, all kinds of frothing at the mouth and IEDs (intermittent explosive disorders) coming out.

rattled? No. It's just people saying outlandish stuff because he came in second to a man who ran sub 13 mins 3 days ago in a 10000m race.

He has no chance at 1500m, no one is beating the kenyans. Tim is unstoppable in the DL, and ManiGOAT is unstoppable in championship races.

and he has no chance at 5000m, no one is beating the ethiopians.

Yomif, Barega, and G man?

Nothing but bronze and no medals for the kid. Sorry

So what your basically saying is that your vagina is hurting very badly?

How many hours have you spent posting these Ingebrigtsen doping accusations today Tyrone?

Adolf Hitler showed more dignity when Jesse Owens shattered his master race delusions than you're demonstrating here. The Ingebrigtsens have overthrown your cherished racial world order fantasies, now you've just got to accept it.

The cognitive dissonance must be hitting you hard, but you have to learn to deal with it Tyrone.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

theres all kinds of rattinling going on wrote:

Lol. Sounds like Jakob has a lot of people rattled. When he is challenging and in the middle of overtaking all their heroes, while not appearing as what they like, all kinds of frothing at the mouth and IEDs (intermittent explosive disorders) coming out.

rattled? No. It's just people saying outlandish stuff because he came in second to a man who ran sub 13 mins 3 days ago in a 10000m race.

He has no chance at 1500m, no one is beating the kenyans. Tim is unstoppable in the DL, and ManiGOAT is unstoppable in championship races.

and he has no chance at 5000m, no one is beating the ethiopians.

Yomif, Barega, and G man?

Nothing but bronze and no medals for the kid. Sorry

No medals and nothing but bronze? Just wanted to make sure, but last time I checked a bronze was a medal. A significant achievement on a world scale.

Grow Up Tyrone wrote:

How many hours have you spent posting these Ingebrigtsen doping accusations today Tyrone?

Adolf Hitler showed more dignity when Jesse Owens shattered his master race delusions than you're demonstrating here. The Ingebrigtsens have overthrown your cherished racial world order fantasies, now you've just got to accept it.

The cognitive dissonance must be hitting you hard, but you have to learn to deal with it Tyrone.

lol. I think you are talking to me, right ? I missed the action as it happened and then just youtubed the race, without knowing results, and enjoyed it. (5 mins ago). Then checked in to letsrun to see reaction. Read page 1 of this thread and then jumped to the end. So no, none of the posts are from me, except this one. And you are the one is obsessed with "cherished racial world order fantasies", not me. I think it's great and amazing what the kid is doing. Unprecedented in many ways. And I lean towards thinking he is clean. See unlike you, I assume, (hard to tell for sure since you cowardly won't stick to one name so we can hold you accountable for your past posts) I am consistent. I am not one of those who thinks:

1) EVERYone is drugs, or

2) EVERY african/black athlete is on drugs (but the whites are clean)

I actually have nuanced beliefs. I give the benefit of the doubt in most cases. Yes, there is a doping problem in sports of course. I think it has gotten better recently. Yes, there has been a doping problem in Kenya. I think it is also starting to clean up a bit. But YOU are the one, as I said, that likely has "cherished racial world order fantasies", likely believing that all the africans are cheating, and their dominance of mid-D and distance running is almost completely, if not entirely, due to doping. You probably believe (as quite a few idiots on here believe) the white could have been winning most of the medals all along if not for those dirty cheating East Africans. **** I **** think that most of the top E. Africans, just like white runners like Jakob, have been clean. Geb, Bekele, Tergat, Rudisha, Lagat, Barega, Gebrihiwet, Kipchoge, Sihine, Wanjiru, Tadesse, Mutai, Kipsang, etc, etc. Sure, some of the all time greats probably doped, but the large majority were/are clean. YOU (and your type) are the inconsistent one(s). YOU think all those african guys (or most) likely doped, but that an 18 y.o. EURO kid could run times not far off them, right now capable, likely, of running a 3:46 mile and a low 12:50's 5k. You believe THAT, but think all those other black/african runners' times are "science fiction" and a deplorable sign of cheating. But he's starting to (or about to) beat some of them head to head or beat their past times. And when that happens, suddenly those times don't sound so impossible to you because a white kid did them.

THAT is holding onto "cherished racial world order fantasies" (such as: whites are not inferior to blacks in ANYthing, and are more honest and trustworthy when it comes to being clean).

But nice try!

He finished highschool two months ago.

Conspiracytheories might be interesting. A kind of american speciality. But,please, in a wellregulated, one might say overegulated, society like Norway you can't cheat on your age. We have seen this guy run since he was twelve, and he looked twelve. He has gone to School with the other children. He just finished high School together with his girlfriend .Your "probability hypothesis" about doping is nothing but speculation, not backed by facts. We have the strongest testsystem. So please, be a little more specific, a little more scientific, "This guy is definitely cheating". You are defining yourself. The closing of the American Mind. Sad. Do you know anything about Norwegian Sport and the Norwegian Society. Some og us knows a lot about USA. Don't be a trump.

Scorpions are supposed to be smarter wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

rattled? No. It's just people saying outlandish stuff because he came in second to a man who ran sub 13 mins 3 days ago in a 10000m race.

He has no chance at 1500m, no one is beating the kenyans. Tim is unstoppable in the DL, and ManiGOAT is unstoppable in championship races.

and he has no chance at 5000m, no one is beating the ethiopians.

Yomif, Barega, and G man?

Nothing but bronze and no medals for the kid. Sorry

No medals and nothing but bronze? Just wanted to make sure, but last time I checked a bronze was a medal. A significant achievement on a world scale.

SMH. What that means is that he could possibly get bronze at 1500m , and nothing at 10000m,

SMH

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Scorpions are supposed to be smarter wrote:

No medals and nothing but bronze? Just wanted to make sure, but last time I checked a bronze was a medal. A significant achievement on a world scale.

SMH. What that means is that he could possibly get bronze at 1500m , and nothing at 10000m,

SMH

correction: nothing at 5000m.

another runner wrote:

You missed a huge one, all 3 of them have been training like professionals since the age of 8. What American family has been doing that? The closest is Rupp with Salazar and he started much later.

M-Fers act like they forgot about DEAK!

Hey Paul Bunyan, it has EVERYTHING to do with Bekele's WR.

Learn to think.

The next "Pre?"

Not to say anyone can match what he did, but if any young guy has a shot, it's him.

mooonshot wrote:

Hey Paul Bunyan, it has EVERYTHING to do with Bekele's WR.

Learn to think.

Wouldn't Kipchoge's 12:52 to beat KB at World's at age 18 also provide validation for a 12:37 being possible? Or is EK not looked as a clean, but JI is?

Mo did have 5,000m heats. Only one Kenyan is beating him right now. Hats off to HG he is a great runner.

What if Jakob never runs faster than this......?

mooonshot wrote:

Hey Paul Bunyan, it has EVERYTHING to do with Bekele's WR.

Learn to think.

I'll get right on that. As I see it, your argument looks something like this.

1) Premise 1: A Norwegian 18 year old ran 13:02 5000m.

2) Conclusion: KB ran 12:37 5000m without the aid of drugs.

The premise has nothing to do with the conclusion, and in no way proves it.

I'm open to the idea that what you said is true, but you would have to clearly state some additional premises to make a case.

1) Premise 1: A Norwegian 18 year old ran 13:02 5000m

2) Premise 2: The time was run without PEDs (unknown)

3) Premise 3: 22 year old KB is 25 seconds faster than Jakub, without taking PEDs (unknown)

4) Conclusion: KB can run 12:37 without PEDs

Paul Bunyan wrote:

[quote]mooonshot wrote:

Hey Paul Bunyan, it has EVERYTHING to do with Bekele's WR.

Learn to think.

To continue beating a dead horse, I think we could agree that passing an infallable drug test applied to every KB sample from the time he began training to the time of his WR would constitute proof that he ran that WR clean. By comparison, it's easy to see that Jakob's time doesn't constitute nearly the same level of proof, or really any sort of proof. I think we could say that at best it provides some weak supporting evidence that KB's record is clean, if we assume that Jakob's time is also clean (after all, is Jakob the most talented, best trained athlete in history? Almost certainly not, and so it's conceivable that older, more talented runners could run faster without drugs).

So I'll soften my earlier statement a little bit. It's possible that Jakob's PR may have SOMETHING to do with KB's record, but substantial additional evidence is needed to begin talking about proof.

Paul Bunyan wrote:

if we assume that Jakob's time is also clean (after all, is Jakob the most talented, best trained athlete in history? Almost certainly not, and so it's conceivable that older, more talented runners could run faster without drugs).

Why is it 'almost certainly' not the case that Jakob is the most talented, best trained athlete in history? Because he's white? Because he's Norwegian?

If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, as he is on course to, will it still be the case that he can't possibly be the greatest runner in history...because he's white?

Oh and what we're talking about is the best combination of talent and training.

How many thread on the first page are currently speculating whether the Ingebrigtsens can be clean despite white people being genetically inferior to black people? Especially East Africans, who are on a different branch of Homo Sapiens altogether it appears for some people here.

It's amazing that guys like Mottram, Alan Webb, Nick Willis, and indeed the Ingebrigtsens managed to achieve what they have. Not because they were white and 'genetically inferior', but because they were told from birth by the rest of the world they were genetically inferior and could never make it to the top, when in fact most of the African superstars and their later African competitors were and are simply doped to the gills.

Mods - wake up. This is 2019. Stormfront has gone.

I would say not "most talented, best trained" based on current performances. 1500m: I've got him #36 all time, 4 seconds slower than the best. 5000m: I've got him #115 of all time, nearly 23 seconds slower then the best. If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, it will no longer be the case.

Coevett wrote:

Why is it 'almost certainly' not the case that Jakob is the most talented, best trained athlete in history?