Noah Lyles Will Run in the Vicinity of 9.77 Tomorrow

If he does run that, no doubt we’ll have to question if he’s clean or not.

Bolt063 wrote:

If he does run that, no doubt we’ll have to question if he’s clean or not.

I don't know why you weren't already do that after the 19.50 if that's how you feel about things. His 19.50 means he HAS to be somewhere in the low 9.8s or into sub 9.8; you don't run that fast without such ability. It's not like he's been breaking 44 for 400s (though for all we know, he may be capable). He's a 1/2 guy, not a 2/4 guy. So, to run 19.5, (and he's already run a 9.86), he's gotta be right at 9.80.

So, at 19.50, you should be screaming JUICED already.

Today's sprinters are doped to the gills on something that anti-doping doesn't even know about.

These guys would be beating Ben Johnson, and they can't do even 1/10 the roids he did. They'd be backhanding Carl Lewis without popping even one Sudafed or perfecting their lift phase.

What is it? What's going on here? Does WADA really not know, or are they just looking the other way until someone forces their hand?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Today's sprinters are doped to the gills on something that anti-doping doesn't even know about.

These guys would be beating Ben Johnson, and they can't do even 1/10 the roids he did. They'd be backhanding Carl Lewis without popping even one Sudafed or perfecting their lift phase.

What is it? What's going on here? Does WADA really not know, or are they just looking the other way until someone forces their hand?

This has to be the case. Drugs are getting better and better, and harder to detect. “Back in the day” it wasn’t common for sprinters to go sub 10, but nowadays a lot of college athletes are running sub or close to sub 10. Do people really believe that all these athletes are clean when they are running almost as fast as Johnson and Lewis!

Has there been a time when sprinters WEREN'T juiced to the gills?

Theoretically, Bob Hayes on a modern track would have likely been 9.8 material. Some would argue even faster (Bolt levels). Was he juiced?

A bold prediction, but I don’t think that Monaco is a fast sprint track. Anybody going 9.7 there would be 9.6-capable.

Remember Dolt. He was a tall guy with no start, and not enough turnover because of his long limbs. He was never expected to be a force in the 100m, until he was. Shortly after he started the 100m: BAM, 9.72 at sea level in NYC, with a decent start and good turnover.

Theo might be similar raw material. If they could get Dolt to 9.5, IMO they could reasonably get Theo to 9.6. He’s got it all except for a start/early acceleration mechanic.

Can he get it this year? Dolt got it really fast, no reason to think that Theo couldn’t do the same, he seems healthy and motivated.

If Gatlin decides to go hard, this will be a burner of a race because Theo always goes hard, which is why it’s great to watch him race.

Juicy wrote:

Has there been a time when sprinters WEREN'T juiced to the gills?

Theoretically, Bob Hayes on a modern track would have likely been 9.8 material. Some would argue even faster (Bolt levels). Was he juiced?

Yeah, the juice was beer. This is '64 we are talking about.

I think that Gatlin should just relax in Monaco, why show his cards? To motivate others?

I might just hand this one to the younger guys, let them have it while watching from a distance and measuring. Run fast, but never push.

But we’ll see.

It’s great that we have Oduduru as a wildcard in this race, he will want to show something, for sure. And Vicaut as the wild wildcard...IMO he will be lucky to dip under 10. I really think he’s pushing his season out for September.

On LRC poll, it looks like people are picking him over Gatlin. Really? Gatlin FTW.

Gatlin ran a 9.78 on this track into a marginal headwind back in 2015. So, the track isn't exactly a SLOW track.

If Lyles is where I think he is, he'd be capable of something like that. Even if Gatlin handles the race a little conservatively, his presence alone might get Lyles to pop one off.

Yeah, agree.

Boy Gatlin was on fire in 2015, seems like yesterday.

BergLaufer wrote:

On LRC poll, it looks like people are picking him over Gatlin. Really? Gatlin FTW.

old man strength wins again.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Today's sprinters are doped to the gills on something that anti-doping doesn't even know about.

These guys would be beating Ben Johnson, and they can't do even 1/10 the roids he did. They'd be backhanding Carl Lewis without popping even one Sudafed or perfecting their lift phase.

What is it? What's going on here? Does WADA really not know, or are they just looking the other way until someone forces their hand?

Yeah

Magic Potions.

That's it. Doped up on 'haste potions'.

yeah

If this is going to be your attitude about elite sport, just stick to watching the fun runners

I'm the OP, and I was owned on this one. 9.92 and a loss to Gatlin.

Pretty sure Lyles is only going for the 200 after that. I haven't seen the race footage, though, so I have no idea how he ran. I can only assume Lyles start was next to atrocious. Honestly, 9.92 after a 19.50 is pretty disappointing. He may never figure out his start, and that's so weird.

It's kind of interesting that Lyles is so talented and has such a bad start, and Coleman is so spectacular for 60/70 meters and has such a terrible final 30/40. It's a little weird that they haven't shows signs of figuring out those flaws more.

At this point, I'm ready to say that Coleman would actually beat Lyles over 100m more often than not, now. It would, indeed, be wise for Lyles to just run the 200 in Doha.

I didn't think his start was that bad relative to the field, he just didn't look like he had his usual top gear. Running a big PB like he did last weak probably took a lot out of him. If he wasn't getting paid to race he probably should have taken at least 2 weeks away from racing to recover from that PB effort.

bnmn,n,.m wrote:

I didn't think his start was that bad relative to the field, he just didn't look like he had his usual top gear. Running a big PB like he did last weak probably took a lot out of him. If he wasn't getting paid to race he probably should have taken at least 2 weeks away from racing to recover from that PB effort.

For Lyles, you are correct, he didn't have a "trash" start. Same with how he looked in the field. But, from a technical critique, his start has not improved at all. He doesn't have the worst form out of the blocks or anything, but it's like he has no power, and no concept on how to even APPLY power, out of the blocks and through 30 meters. If he ever figures that out, look out. But then again, maybe his 200 would suffer as a result? I dunno.

He did his standard "run down" stuff on Gatlin, too. It's wild to see how much damage he does to other runners in the last 20 meters of 100m dashes. But, if he never really gets his 0 to 30 meters primed, it may be moot (at least for a gold medal, anyway).

He got a fine start. He just didn't have that magic drive phase he needs. But yes, the last 20m he's simply incredible. I've never seen a sprint niter make up that much ground on another Pro in the last 20m. He ran down Coleman in their earlier matchup like Coleman was a high school boy. And Colemans the fastest man in the world.