Too many confounders
Too many confounders
math problem wrote:
Last 10 states wrote:
The 10 states with the least amount of suicide:
40 Texas
41 Virginia
42 Rhode Island
43 Delaware
44 Illinois
45 California
46 Connecticut
47 Maryland
48 Massachusetts
49 New Jersey
50 New York
1. Mostly in the northeast, higher socio-economic status.
2. More densely populated
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/states-with-the-highest-suicide-rates-in-us.htmlI draw different conclusions that seem obvious to me. It's more math than anything else. Suicides are rare and you'll always have a few in any population who unfortunately take their lives. California has over 4300 suicides in 2017 and Wyoming had 157. I'm not sure a per capita figure tells you much about anything other than math. Even on a per capita basis Wyoming's suicides are 0.02% of their population.
And you are insane if you think people in the west and mountain west are generally lonely and longing to be living in a crowded dirty city with everyone on top of you.
Of course in Chicago, so many people are murdered before they can get to the point of suicide. So there's that impacting Illinois figures.
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math problem wrote:
Last 10 states wrote:
The 10 states with the least amount of suicide:
40 Texas
41 Virginia
42 Rhode Island
43 Delaware
44 Illinois
45 California
46 Connecticut
47 Maryland
48 Massachusetts
49 New Jersey
50 New York
1. Mostly in the northeast, higher socio-economic status.
2. More densely populated
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/states-with-the-highest-suicide-rates-in-us.htmlI draw different conclusions that seem obvious to me. It's more math than anything else. Suicides are rare and you'll always have a few in any population who unfortunately take their lives. California has over 4300 suicides in 2017 and Wyoming had 157. I'm not sure a per capita figure tells you much about anything other than math. Even on a per capita basis Wyoming's suicides are 0.02% of their population.
And you are insane if you think people in the west and mountain west are generally lonely and longing to be living in a crowded dirty city with everyone on top of you.
Of course in Chicago, so many people are murdered before they can get to the point of suicide. So there's that impacting Illinois figures.
LOL, you are bad at the maths, aren't you.
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TheGoldenMonkey wrote:
I was surprised to read of the supposed high suicide rate in colorado, and i actually wonder if this even a meaningful statistic?
I live in one of the wealthy ski towns of colorado. I am a transplant, and have lived in many other places.
There are things not to like about the culture here, but those aspects exist everywhere, to one extent or another. For example, modern america is full of places where you can easily be an anonymous human getting lost in the shuffle. Your neighbors don’t know your name. If you died, nobody would miss you very much, and your job would be farmed out to somebody else.
But this is not unique to colorado.
We have more than enough days of sunshine.
Our economy is more than decent in most parts of the state.
I wonder if there is a measurement explanation, rather than a quality of life explanation?
In some places, i can imagine that a person dying of a self inflicted wound would be listed as “lost too much blood causing heart to stop” while in another place, the box marked, “likely suicide” would be acceptable to check, with no additional red tape.
Is it possible that colorado only scores high in classifying deaths as likely suicide, while other states have to list the biology that caused the heart to stop beating?
Maybe being relatively far distance from hospitals and decent healthcare, a therapist, a psychiatrist ? It worries me that if you collapse in Las Animas /Otero County etc, a helicopter may have to fly you 50miles west to a hospital in Pueblo. If you’re hiking a 14’er and break a leg, you probably spend hours up there getting roasted in the sun (or days, but I hope not if it’s a touristic route) before anyone finds you and a rescue helicopter may be needed to take you out of there.
That would be an explanation for accidental deaths, not suicide. Even in places with good access to a therapist, one needs to seek that therapist out. My first thought was a lot of veterans live in CO.
Dr. Kevorkian wrote:
Look at the top 10 and there's an obvious pattern:
1. Montana
2. Alaska
3. Nevada
4. New Mexico
5. Wyoming
6. Colorado
7. Idaho
8. Arizona
9. South Dakota
10. Utah
They are all "ranching" type states which means:
1. Low population density -> isolation -> loneliness
2. Easy access to guns
Long spells of darkness. Inuits have a very high suicide and alcoholism rate.
Dr. Kevorkian wrote:
Look at the top 10 and there's an obvious pattern:
1. Montana
2. Alaska
3. Nevada
4. New Mexico
5. Wyoming
6. Colorado
7. Idaho
8. Arizona
9. South Dakota
10. Utah
They are all "ranching" type states which means:
1. Low population density -> isolation -> loneliness
2. Easy access to guns
Yep. Rolling Stone did an article on this.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/suicide-rate-america-white-men-841576/Colorado is so hard to get a girlfriend. And its godless. Its just a bunch of self loving godless people. Everyone is in shape but hates themsleves because they are alone
More than anything, i cannot imagine what logical conclusions come from comparing one state to another. At best, it sounds like the basis of a gimmicky article, with no usable take-aways.
I think it is valuable to know whether people on indian reservations are highly depressed, high hopelesssness, high rate of suicide attempts, and high rate of actual death by suicide. That tells you something about the wellbeing of the culture on that reservation, as well as substance abuse and economic struggle.
I think it is also useful to see whether people living in areas with little sunlight are attempting or committing suicide, compared to areas similar economically and culturally, for example.
I find it curious to know suicide rates by profession, because that also speaks volumes about the long term damage of the stresses in that occupation, as well as the lifestyle. Retired pro athletes whose lifestyle used to include many concussions and collisions (i’m thinking more of football players here) seem to maybe have more issues with suicide than retired pro athletes (like tennis or running) of noncontact sports.
Lifestyle-wise, i have heard certain areas of specialization in medicine (surgeons, anesthesia MDs, are the ones ive heard anecdotally) with high suicide. Unrealistic demands to perform procedures, little opportunity to exit the profession to earn your living another way, and the expectation to get every single patient through a procedure safely and successfully no matter how many risk factors they present with.
Anyways, living within a state’s boundaries doesn’t give very good information about actual factors correlated with depression or suicide.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it