Trolls 'force' Zakayo Pingua to release image of passport to prove he is 17

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

+1

24542452435 wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

+1

The age trolls and the race-cheater trolls and the they-are-not-white-American trolls are the same group of childish individuals. Their personal lives must be as pathetic as jamin's.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

So you think it's great that Kenyan men fraudulently gain sponsorship deals by pretending to be children?

Awesome.

rojo wrote:

While I know the birther thing was crazy for Obama, but if Obama had done this years ago, might not have Trump as president?

obama released his birth certificate publicly in 2011 so clearly that isn't true, and it also proves that doing things like this doesn't stop the trolls:

granted, i have a soft spot for trolls. i don't know specifically about this person, and yes it is likely that age cheating happens in kenya more often than in more developed countries. but at the same time, people like Kipchoge have demonstrated consistent success from age 18 to 34, and i do believe that most of the phenom stories from kenya are, for the most part, true.

without any specific evidence to the contrary, i don't disbelieve Edward Zakayo. i wouldn't have disbelieved him before he released his certificate, and i don't now. innocent before proven guilty, and all that.

trollism wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

So you think it's great that Kenyan men fraudulently gain sponsorship deals by pretending to be children?

Awesome.

So you think it's great to accuse all Kenyans of doping and pretending to be children?

Awesome.

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

granted, i have a soft spot for trolls. i don't know specifically about this person, and yes it is likely that age cheating happens in kenya more often than in more developed countries. but at the same time, people like Kipchoge have demonstrated consistent success from age 18 to 34, and i do believe that most of the phenom stories from kenya are, for the most part, true.

It's not likely, it's certain and well documented (unlike Kenyan births).

And no, Kipchoge has had far from consistent success. Peaking on the track at 18 or 19 and then going somewhat backwards and then very steeply backwards in your mid-twenties until you can't even make the team before moving to the roads and dominating in your thirties, is not consistent success.

Coevett wrote:

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

granted, i have a soft spot for trolls. i don't know specifically about this person, and yes it is likely that age cheating happens in kenya more often than in more developed countries. but at the same time, people like Kipchoge have demonstrated consistent success from age 18 to 34, and i do believe that most of the phenom stories from kenya are, for the most part, true.

It's not likely, it's certain and well documented (unlike Kenyan births).

And no, Kipchoge has had far from consistent success. Peaking on the track at 18 or 19 and then going somewhat backwards and then very steeply backwards in your mid-twenties until you can't even make the team before moving to the roads and dominating in your thirties, is not consistent success.

What an ignorant post, Coevett, even by your standards.

Backwards? Steeply backwards?

Educate yourself for once:

From age 20 to age 28, Kipchoge ran consistently 7:27-7:33 as seasons' bests in the 3000m

In the same period he ran 12:46-13:02 for 5000m

You are quite the liar.

No, 3000m ran only once a season or so and not an Championship event, so ignore it.

5000m :

18 - 12:53

19 - 12:46

20 - 12:50

21 - 12:54

22 - 12:50

23 - 13:02

24 - 12:56

25 - 12:51

26 - 12:59

27 - 12:55

So he peaked at 19, and ran his two seasons best times at 19 and 20. At 18, in the year he won the World Championships defeating El Epo and the Epiopian GOAT Bekele, I'm not sure how many big circuit races he actually had to run a fast time as he was still largely unknown up until the WC.

At 18,19, and 20 his season best times average 12:49

At 23,24, and 25 his season best times average 12:57 This is when he should have been at his peak.

Coevett wrote:

No, 3000m ran only once a season or so and not an Championship event, so ignore it.

5000m :

18 - 12:53

19 - 12:46

20 - 12:50

21 - 12:54

22 - 12:50

23 - 13:02

24 - 12:56

25 - 12:51

26 - 12:59

27 - 12:55

So he peaked at 19, and ran his two seasons best times at 19 and 20. At 18, in the year he won the World Championships defeating El Epo and the Epiopian GOAT Bekele, I'm not sure how many big circuit races he actually had to run a fast time as he was still largely unknown up until the WC.

At 18,19, and 20 his season best times average 12:49

At 23,24, and 25 his season best times average 12:57 This is when he should have been at his peak.

looking at any one metric is a poor indicator of success, and saying "ignore it" is not a fair refutation of 32453245's point. besides, my point was to show that there do exist Kenyan runners who succeed at young ages who haven't likely substantially age cheated (because if they did they'd be in their 50s by now) -- Lagat being another example. it's like the doping debate. yes plenty of people dope, but there are many who have reached the highest levels of the sport while clean so it is possible. it's not fair or justified to accuse someone of doping or age cheating based on performance alone -- and doing it by looks is deeply biased in an even worse way.

Coevett wrote:

No, 3000m ran only once a season or so and not an Championship event, so ignore it.

5000m :

18 - 12:53

19 - 12:46

20 - 12:50

21 - 12:54

22 - 12:50

23 - 13:02

24 - 12:56

25 - 12:51

26 - 12:59

27 - 12:55

So he peaked at 19, and ran his two seasons best times at 19 and 20. At 18, in the year he won the World Championships defeating El Epo and the Epiopian GOAT Bekele, I'm not sure how many big circuit races he actually had to run a fast time as he was still largely unknown up until the WC.

At 18,19, and 20 his season best times average 12:49

At 23,24, and 25 his season best times average 12:57 This is when he should have been at his peak.

Only a moran trying to prove his moran point would ignore a runner who from age 20 to age 28 has run sub 7:33 and sub 13.03 consistently.

"ignore it" you say... lol Just because it's convenient for your absence of truth and logic.

trollism wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Perhaps it is time to rethink your life if you spend a significant amount of your time harassing foreign teenagers about their age.

So you think it's great that Kenyan men fraudulently gain sponsorship deals by pretending to be children?

Awesome.

No.

At many junctures, we are presented with more than two options. In this case, we have more than two options.

It's possible to not like age cheats, and also not harass them on social media without evidence.

My mom said so wrote:

Kenya govt documents not exactly credible

Who needs govt documents to prove your life when it's documented in pictures on a social media timelines?

Like I said above they've had smart phones with cameras, internet and social media in even remote Africa villages for years now. And as social media timelines with school photos, family photos and friend photos become more and more available age cheating will become a thing of the past.

Govt documents round the globe might be heading the other way - but the private market has already fixed the ID-problem. The US govt indirectly acknowledges this by demanding foreigners to hand over their social media passwords etc at customs.

I hope the OP (and rojo, who replied on this thread) are aware that for all legal purposes the OP is harassing a minor and being allowed to do so.

NativeSon wrote:

Sddd wrote:

Those medical methods aren't very accurate. Does knowing he is 20+-5 years help anyone?

We have a 18 year old white guy with a legit age running 330.

There was a 17 year old running 356 miles back in 60s. This isn't some unbelievable time..

I wonder how they come to the determination that Jakob Ingebrigsten is the age he claims to be (18).

Westerners are nearly all born in hospitals, which are required by law, a law that is enforced by inspectors and auditors, to fill out birth certificates with a declared name before the child leaves the hospital. There is a footprint and maybe a handprint taken as well. The birth certificate is filed with the state/county/federal gov't. In Ethiopia and Kenya, by contrast, birth records are spotty and many births do not even take place in hospitals still. An article I linked previously had about 40-50% coverage in those countries, and besides there have been numerous scandals and admissions concerning age cheating in both countries. For instance:

Kenya: Athletics Kenya warns of age-cheating in junior ... - The Standard

...

Mar 14, 2019 - Athletics Kenya issued a stern warning on age cheating ahead of the double trials to select teams for the Africa Under-20 and Under-18 Athletics Championships slated for Abidjan, Ivory Coast on April 12-18. The two-day event set for March 21-22 at Kasarani Stadium, will see the ...

Age-cheating athletes to pay the price, warn AK - Daily Nation

› Sports › Athletics

Jun 1, 2017 - Age-cheating athletes caught during the national trials for the World ... their coaches and managers, Athletics Kenya (AK) warned Wednesday.

Coevett wrote:

No, 3000m ran only once a season or so and not an Championship event, so ignore it.

5000m :

18 - 12:53

19 - 12:46

20 - 12:50

21 - 12:54

22 - 12:50

23 - 13:02

24 - 12:56

25 - 12:51

26 - 12:59

27 - 12:55

So he peaked at 19, and ran his two seasons best times at 19 and 20. At 18, in the year he won the World Championships defeating El Epo and the Epiopian GOAT Bekele, I'm not sure how many big circuit races he actually had to run a fast time as he was still largely unknown up until the WC.

At 18,19, and 20 his season best times average 12:49

At 23,24, and 25 his season best times average 12:57 This is when he should have been at his peak.

Source -

3000m:

18 - 7:46

19 - 7:30

20 - 7:27

21 - 7:28

22 - 7:30

23 - 7:33

24 - 7:33

25 - 7:28

26 - 7:27

27 - 7:29 (indoor)

28 - 7:31

At 18, 19, and 20 his season best times average 7:34

At 23, 24, and 25 his season best times average 7:31

At 26, 27, and 28 his season best times average 7:29 (

Kenya having birth documentation issues and Coevett being a dumb, lying racist aren't mutually exclusive. There's a lot of evidence for both (and not just that he is against certain countries - that shows that you haven't read a lot of things he's posted).

Some One wrote:

I hope the OP (and rojo, who replied on this thread) are aware that for all legal purposes the OP is harassing a minor and being allowed to do so.

+1

The easy way top solve this is to not give a $hit about age-group records. People mature at different rates and it's not exactly a level playing field due to that. Ultimate performances are all that matters.