Roller of Eyes wrote:
Yeah. An anti-cyber bullying law sounds like such a bad idea. :rolleyes
I seem to recall that Dave Reading and he's wife Terrie professed to want to start a campaign to stop "online bullying" - because the Letsrun thread on his Land's End to John O'Groats record attempt was the only reason he failed on day 1.
The fact that he was laughably unprepared and the circumstances seemed like a developing Rob Young situation had nothing to do with it.
jesseriley wrote:
Rosie Ruiz probably only got an obituary in WAPO (a month late) because it was covered here wall-to-wall.
Hard to throw out the statement that an obit was a month late when there probably aren't 10 people in the world that see a Rosie Vivas dying in Florida and equate it to Rosie Ruiz. Her home town obit (obviously written by family) never mentioned running or her maiden name. And it wasn't mentioned on Lets Run until a month late either.
Many people in the the Meza team have been and are still calling a lot of people liars. Stop falsely doing that before you also try to pass those same people off as bullies.
Yes ,people did speculate that with this cheating character that there maybe more sinister stuff in his life. But it was the cheating plus the lying from the mesa camp that made those questions O.K. In the real world when stuff stinks, sometimes there is a big heap of crap laying around.
OurGang wrote:
Many people in the the Meza team have been and are still calling a lot of people liars.
Who?
There were four members of his immediate family who were photographed with the article about “bullying.”
Hoo? wrote:
OurGang wrote:
Many people in the the Meza team have been and are still calling a lot of people liars.
Who?
This will most likely be deleted, but I'll start.
Before:
Go back to the original Meza thread and you can get the list of people who told Derek and others that they were wrong and just being mean to a great man. Some tried to scare the thing away.
Only one of them came back and said that he was wrong. That was a few days before Frank killed himself.
Off the top of my Head, Frank Meza ( who took his claim that others are lying to his grave(, the coach from Loyola, A Deputy DA, Leadership from Aztlan, with his phony, "til I see something I'm with Frank".
Many anonymous posters on the other thread.
After,
Frank ( from the grave)
The Meza family
These lackeys in the local press that are writing the stories about the bullying without the conclusion that Frank cheated a lot for a very long time.
His Family with the help of some press, and I don't believe that grief is the issue one bit. Not from any of them, but especially not from the son and the daughter in law.
The people who keep coming on this thread telling people to shut up. The ones who report posts like this to get them deleted.
Anyone who tried to keep the lie alive and has not come back to clear things up , See the first list.
A good follow-up article would include interviews of some of those people, get their comments now for the record. I would find it interesting to see some transparency about the fall-out at Loyola( two suicides of coaches in a little over a year) and Atzlan maybe Kaiser. Did the deputy DA get in trouble for his part? Ask LA marathon how they would handle cheating in the future? A lot of territory of interest could be covered. I am sure this is the tip of the ice-berg.
OurGand wrote:
Hoo? wrote:
Who?
This will most likely be deleted, but I'll start.
Before:
Go back to the original Meza thread and you can get the list of people who told Derek and others that they were wrong and just being mean to a great man. Some tried to scare the thing away.
Only one of them came back and said that he was wrong. That was a few days before Frank killed himself.
Off the top of my Head, Frank Meza ( who took his claim that others are lying to his grave(, the coach from Loyola, A Deputy DA, Leadership from Aztlan, with his phony, "til I see something I'm with Frank".
Many anonymous posters on the other thread.
After,
Frank ( from the grave)
The Meza family
These lackeys in the local press that are writing the stories about the bullying without the conclusion that Frank cheated a lot for a very long time.
His Family with the help of some press, and I don't believe that grief is the issue one bit. Not from any of them, but especially not from the son and the daughter in law.
The people who keep coming on this thread telling people to shut up. The ones who report posts like this to get them deleted.
Anyone who tried to keep the lie alive and has not come back to clear things up , See the first list.
Ok. So no one specifically. I thought you were serious there for a minute.
OurGang wrote:
A good follow-up article would include interviews of some of those people, get their comments now for the record. I would find it interesting to see some transparency about the fall-out at Loyola( two suicides of coaches in a little over a year) and Atzlan maybe Kaiser. Did the deputy DA get in trouble for his part? Ask LA marathon how they would handle cheating in the future? A lot of territory of interest could be covered. I am sure this is the tip of the ice-berg.
I'm a little surprised that anyone at Letsrun.com hasn't decided to write any type of follow-up, considering that their forum has been maligned as a "running internet mob"...
triathleteguru wrote:
OurGang wrote:
A good follow-up article would include interviews of some of those people, get their comments now for the record. I would find it interesting to see some transparency about the fall-out at Loyola( two suicides of coaches in a little over a year) and Atzlan maybe Kaiser. Did the deputy DA get in trouble for his part? Ask LA marathon how they would handle cheating in the future? A lot of territory of interest could be covered. I am sure this is the tip of the ice-berg.
I'm a little surprised that anyone at Letsrun.com hasn't decided to write any type of follow-up, considering that their forum has been maligned as a "running internet mob"...
Perhaps because there were about a dozen articles written on MI with more to come apparently. Plus, there were hundreds of articles in newspapers and magazines. Plus, the tv media coverage.
We eagerly await your write-up on it though. I'm sure it will be great given your posting history here. Make sure to post it here first.
SMH
I’ve been called lots worse, ha ha.
Anyone can label anything with whatever words they'd like, but...that doesn't make it true.
Example: Liberals call Republicans racists, which is not true. Some may be and some liberals may be. Regardless, they like to say that as it makes them feel good about themselves.
An article was written. The person was given multiple chances to come clean. He chose his way to make it go away. Sad, very, very sad, but to blame someone who opened other's eyes to it is unfair. Did Kip "David" Litton, a Dentist, end his life that way? He even sat down with a writer of a well known magazine.
Regardless, it's still very, very sad that he chose this way out. I feel for him as person and his family.
triathleteguru wrote:
OurGang wrote:
A good follow-up article would include interviews of some of those people, get their comments now for the record. I would find it interesting to see some transparency about the fall-out at Loyola( two suicides of coaches in a little over a year) and Atzlan maybe Kaiser. Did the deputy DA get in trouble for his part? Ask LA marathon how they would handle cheating in the future? A lot of territory of interest could be covered. I am sure this is the tip of the ice-berg.
I'm a little surprised that anyone at Letsrun.com hasn't decided to write any type of follow-up, considering that their forum has been maligned as a "running internet mob"...
I wrote a Journalist in Pasadena before Frank killed himself. That was after I found an article about the other coach from Loyola dying in an early morning car accident that seemed suspicious. She wrote that article and since I had not yet learned to do the coroners site search I asked her if she had done a follow-up article, and if it was a suicide. A few day later the thing went viral and Frank ended his life.
Anyway , she forwarded my questions to a colleague at an affliate paper in LA , but I have not heard from him.
I'm sure some people in LA who could do a good follow-up won't because of connections they have in the community. Maybe others are working on it, or waiting for a better time. I can't believe it would go undone.
I have wanted to write the accreditation agencies for Loyola, but have up to this point succumbed to inertia. Mostly doubt that those agencies have a very authentic interest in deep observations of the school. But that might be unfair of me. I have sat on accreditation panels before and this seems like something that would be of interest. I doubt the school will self report regarding potential underlying problems at the school. I have never known of high school coaches to commit suicide, let alone two in a short time, or for coaches and admin to hide a marathon cheater on their staff who was coaching kids in the sport he was cheating at, if they did, which seems likely.
OurGang wrote:
A good follow-up article would include interviews of some of those people, get their comments now for the record. I would find it interesting to see some transparency about the fall-out at Loyola( two suicides of coaches in a little over a year) and Atzlan maybe Kaiser. Did the deputy DA get in trouble for his part? Ask LA marathon how they would handle cheating in the future? A lot of territory of interest could be covered. I am sure this is the tip of the ice-berg.
I really don't believe there would be much interest in more articles. I read some of national level articles and they were all similar: Him getting caught at CIM, the age group record, Letsun, the MI articles, the LAM DQ, his suicide and his family's denials. That's the story and it has run its course. Anybody who read the articles is likely to believe that he, indeed, cheated.
That his family and some friends support him is not news. I don't understand what you mean by getting their comments for the record. What record? The deputy DA took his friend's denial at face value and made a call. So what? I doubt many people care about how Loyola, Atzlan and Kaiser reacted to the Meza story. The LAM will consider some changes to how the split data is analized, but its not worth an article. Going on and off the course to hit the 5K mats is just crazy and Meza might end up being the only one that ever did that.
The tip of the iceberg? Is the deep state behind this?
Our Gang wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
I'm a little surprised that anyone at Letsrun.com hasn't decided to write any type of follow-up, considering that their forum has been maligned as a "running internet mob"...
I wrote a Journalist in Pasadena before Frank killed himself. That was after I found an article about the other coach from Loyola dying in an early morning car accident that seemed suspicious. She wrote that article and since I had not yet learned to do the coroners site search I asked her if she had done a follow-up article, and if it was a suicide. A few day later the thing went viral and Frank ended his life.
Anyway , she forwarded my questions to a colleague at an affliate paper in LA , but I have not heard from him.
I'm sure some people in LA who could do a good follow-up won't because of connections they have in the community. Maybe others are working on it, or waiting for a better time. I can't believe it would go undone.
I have wanted to write the accreditation agencies for Loyola, but have up to this point succumbed to inertia. Mostly doubt that those agencies have a very authentic interest in deep observations of the school. But that might be unfair of me. I have sat on accreditation panels before and this seems like something that would be of interest. I doubt the school will self report regarding potential underlying problems at the school. I have never known of high school coaches to commit suicide, let alone two in a short time, or for coaches and admin to hide a marathon cheater on their staff who was coaching kids in the sport he was cheating at, if they did, which seems likely.
You whole story is doubtful.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Going on and off the course to hit the 5K mats is just crazy and Meza might end up being the only one that ever did that.
You were going really good until you dropped this line in there. It happens nearly every race. He just happened to be very good at the math.
Smoove wrote:
I think he’s simply highlighting the fact that there may be a bit of excessive drama and handwringing going on. The Meza family isn’t doing anything other than local damage control.
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A man killed himself and his family shows excessive drama. And that’s a problem for you?
Get real.
Not at all. You’re misreading my post. I am saying just the opposite.
The excessive drama and handwringing I’m referring to is that of triathlete guru,
Jesse Riley and others who seem to think that Frank still being shown in some race results and Frank’s family’s efforts to save his reputation are somehow such an affront to common decency that further public campaigns are needed to expose facts that are already known.
Least I didn’t wait 25 years to start whining about it, then say there’s no evidence. That’s your style.
Just like the old thread....as soon as you think this story has run its course it takes on a new surge.