I can’t believe more people don’t talk about how Simpson used to be a steepler. I think if she went back to it, she’d be incredible with her speed, but obviously she’s been successful in the 1500, too.
I can’t believe more people don’t talk about how Simpson used to be a steepler. I think if she went back to it, she’d be incredible with her speed, but obviously she’s been successful in the 1500, too.
Back2steeple? wrote:
I can’t believe more people don’t talk about how Simpson used to be a steepler. I think if she went back to it, she’d be incredible with her speed, but obviously she’s been successful in the 1500, too.
IMO I don't think she would be a better steepler than a 1500 runner. The reason she has won so many medals is because of her prowess of handling 1500 rounds and her tactical abilities, thus a perfect combo of strength + speed. Global championships run 3 rounds of 1500 meters (there is virtually no other meet that runs this way, albeit US olympic trials). At the global championship, medalling in the 1500 meter is very hard! PRs become somewhat irrelevant; just because you can run a very fast time in one race does not always equate to running well for three rounds in a tactical race. (for example Laura Muir, has no outdoor global medals but PR is much faster than Simpson).
Additionally, the 1500 is much better known event with more marketing and better pay out compared to the steeple. Simpson makes much more in her contract compared to Coburn (although both have fat checks/payouts anyway).
Quigley just opened with a time just a second off her PR from last September. She has been systematically chopping 5sec/year for going on four years, which puts her on target for a 9:00 next year.
She'll stay put.
She should certainly stay with the steeple. As others have pointed out, lots of stuff can happen there and most of the African runners are tactically and technically poor and only a few seconds ahead of Quigley. So she is certainly a medal threat if she can run 9:05-08.
As for 1500m: It's so incredibly deep right now that you have people like Hassan and probably Koko moving to the longer distances. With more poor kickers like Tsegay and Klosterhalfen in the mix, one cannot count on tactical finals. Someone will try to make it fast and one needs solid sub 4 + kick like Muir and Houlihan. (Look how Klosterhalfen ran away from the field in the Wanamaker mile and got almost 3 seconds on Quigley; one needs to be able to stay with someone making it fast and still outkick her.) 4:02 + kick is not getting her into the final but not far in such a final.
trackwonder4 wrote:
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
She doesn't do much hurdling in training either. There's more to come in the steeple.
Also, you commented on her strength closing people down at the end... ever thought that might be because she's training for a longer event and the only reason she's closing them down is A) she's got that strength and B) she didn't have the turn of speed to go with them when they pulled away in the first place
Scorpion_runner wrote:
She wouldn’t stand a chance, not even in a tactical race. Field is too deep. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, tsegauye Simpson, etc
In the steeple, she has a chance of medaling.
1500?
Wouldn’t even get out of the rounds.
That's why people run the steeple! No chance in flat races to be good!
Out of the top 3 Americans, I feel like she has the most room to improve. Give her and the rest of the Americans the right race and I could see Coburn, Frerichs, and Quigley all capable of running under 9. Coburn just ran a 9:04 falling down, Frerichs obviously with the American record, and Quilgey running 4:03 in the 1500 the past two years and a 4:22 indoor mile this year.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
We need a better example than Mohammed Farah. Farah did not move down from 5000m to 1500m. Bracket racing is normal. That is all Farah was doing. Farah knew not to race 1500m in Olympics &/or W.C. Jenny Simpson moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m at age 22. Can you name any elite runner who moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m in their late twenties?
George Young, for may years our best at 3000SC ran 3:59.6 at age 34.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
We need a better example than Mohammed Farah. Farah did not move down from 5000m to 1500m. Bracket racing is normal. That is all Farah was doing. Farah knew not to race 1500m in Olympics &/or W.C. Jenny Simpson moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m at age 22. Can you name any elite runner who moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m in their late twenties?
Mo did run 3:28 without 2 years of focus; had he done so, would he have set the WR? His specialty was 5/10 so he ran the 1500 at championships. What do you think is the difference in training between the 2 distances? There have been many milers that have run up to 100mpw.
Decker won the 1500/3000 at the 1983 WC and LV ran 3:59/8:29 just a few days apart.
Age will have the same effect no matter what Quigley does. What's "bracket" racing?
ohia wrote:
shes too worried about her Instagram likes
Anyone else remember people posting this crap when she was in college about how se would never make it as a pro and she should go back to modeling? She has done pretty darn well as a pro runner.
She is sort of stuck though in the class right below the medal contenders. If she focuses on the 1500m and runs a 3:59, she isn't any closer to the medals than running a 9:10 steeple. Expecting like a 3:56 and you start talking about unrealistic jumps.
I would say going to the 5k is the same thing. Hard to imagine her being much more than a low 14:30 runner (and that is a stretch. low 14:40s is more realistic unless she has been running the wrong event all these years) which while a great time, still leaves you in the 2nd pack of runners. And of course they don't run many 5ks at diamond league meets anymore.
I was there to watch Quigley nearly run Simpson down in that race and it was extremely impressive. Jenny eased away and it seemed over but in the last maybe 20 meters Quigley found another gear and nearly caught her. Look she may not be a favorite to medal in the 1500 but she is nearly 10 seconds behind the fastest American steepler and they are not a lock to medal against the Africans. If the 1500 goes out slow I think Quigley would have a better chance to medal than she does at the steeple. That doesn't mean she has a good shot at it, it speaks more to how far she's behind in the steeple. Centrowitz won the gold and no one would have bet him to win there against that field, to me I wouldn't be as shocked to see Quigley sneak in for bronze or at least be close to the medals if her race goes perfectly. But as other posters have said what I believe is more likely is a step up to 5000, who knows how fast she could be at that event, but I think the Africans are even more dominant there than the 1500 at the moment.
Doozyofatwosie wrote:
I was there to watch Quigley nearly run Simpson down in that race and it was extremely impressive. Jenny eased away and it seemed over but in the last maybe 20 meters Quigley found another gear and nearly caught her. Look she may not be a favorite to medal in the 1500 but she is nearly 10 seconds behind the fastest American steepler and they are not a lock to medal against the Africans. If the 1500 goes out slow I think Quigley would have a better chance to medal than she does at the steeple. That doesn't mean she has a good shot at it, it speaks more to how far she's behind in the steeple. Centrowitz won the gold and no one would have bet him to win there against that field, to me I wouldn't be as shocked to see Quigley sneak in for bronze or at least be close to the medals if her race goes perfectly. But as other posters have said what I believe is more likely is a step up to 5000, who knows how fast she could be at that event, but I think the Africans are even more dominant there than the 1500 at the moment.
Centrowitz was on everyones medal list cause he had been there for the previous zillion championships. Is being 10s back in a steeple any worse than being 5s back in a 1500m? Now maybe the odds of getting some weird 1500m where the go out in 80s is better than some odd ball steeple (slow, falls,...) but we are still looking for a freak event.
At the US level, right now the 1500m is a bit more competive but over the next 2-3 years, we have a lot of top people aging out. Rowbury, Simpson, Martinez, Grace and a couple of others are all on the wrong side of 30. Houlihan is an obvious stud but after that we are looking at a bunch of 4:03-4:05 ladies. Who knows if any of them will take the next step up. So far our 1500m prodigies haven't done much.
trackwonder wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
Although yes she only has a 4:03 pr,
If you knew anything about Jerry's training, you would know that A) he has his runners focus their training primarily on one event and B) he has his athletes race sparingly through the year.
With this, like I stated earlier, if she spent a season with a 1500 training and racing focus she is more than capable of sub 4 and with her kick she can certainly contend with the best.
Based on limited training last summer (she was injured half the summer and spent time cross training) she came to 5th ave and nearly ran down Jenny Simpson.
Lol so focusing on one event is now a Jerry thing?
Not to mention she constantly struggles with achilles problems.... why would you add jumping into the equation?
lalaalalalla wrote:
so far this thread is useless
Here is my contribution
https://i1.wp.com/www.strongrunnerchicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/USATSI_9455740_1471098188119_5178596_ver1.0.jpg?zoom=1.2100000262260437&resize=534%2C401Amen! I have been banging this drum for years and posting here about this. She has wheels and she is injury prone. She is too big for the steeple at the world level. The decision made at the collegiate level has paid off, she eventually won a national title and went pro. However, when she has raced the 1500 in preparation for her season, she has shown ability.
afsfdadsf wrote:
Doozyofatwosie wrote:
I was there to watch Quigley nearly run Simpson down in that race and it was extremely impressive. Jenny eased away and it seemed over but in the last maybe 20 meters Quigley found another gear and nearly caught her. Look she may not be a favorite to medal in the 1500 but she is nearly 10 seconds behind the fastest American steepler and they are not a lock to medal against the Africans. If the 1500 goes out slow I think Quigley would have a better chance to medal than she does at the steeple. That doesn't mean she has a good shot at it, it speaks more to how far she's behind in the steeple. Centrowitz won the gold and no one would have bet him to win there against that field, to me I wouldn't be as shocked to see Quigley sneak in for bronze or at least be close to the medals if her race goes perfectly. But as other posters have said what I believe is more likely is a step up to 5000, who knows how fast she could be at that event, but I think the Africans are even more dominant there than the 1500 at the moment.
Centrowitz was on everyones medal list cause he had been there for the previous zillion championships. Is being 10s back in a steeple any worse than being 5s back in a 1500m? Now maybe the odds of getting some weird 1500m where the go out in 80s is better than some odd ball steeple (slow, falls,...) but we are still looking for a freak event.
At the US level, right now the 1500m is a bit more competive but over the next 2-3 years, we have a lot of top people aging out. Rowbury, Simpson, Martinez, Grace and a couple of others are all on the wrong side of 30. Houlihan is an obvious stud but after that we are looking at a bunch of 4:03-4:05 ladies. Who knows if any of them will take the next step up. So far our 1500m prodigies haven't done much.
Yes Centrowitz was a medal threat but with the field in there no one was betting on Gold for him. With those names no one would be surprised if he was out of the medals, it was a huge shock for him to win the gold.
YOU CAN ONLY JUSTIFIABLY SAY YOU'VE MOVED EVENT IF YOU ACTUALLY RACE! Boo Bowermantc
trackwonder4 wrote:
Although good at the steeple, I don't personally think she will be a medal threat at the global stage. She has one of the fastest 1500 times among the steeple international stars. She also out kicked Shelby int the mile at US indoors this past year. I strongly believe the 1500 may be her better event, she certainly has untapped potential in the event. Thoughts?
I understand, she's a great 1500m runner. The women's 1500m and 5k are ridiculously loaded right now. The steeple, not as much and there's a lot more unpredictability in the event (world final last year).
Could she medal at 1500m, maybe, but she has to improve her time to at least 3:59, show she's a very good tactician, has good raw speed for a kick and prove she can give/handle a kick from far out. That's everything Dibaba, Kipyegon, Muir, and Hassan have been able to do. Not even Houlihan has mastered handling a kick from far out (see World Indoors 3k and 1500m).
Quigley's 1500m speed is the very thing that's going to get her a medal at the global championships in the steeple. It's always good to have a solid PR in the next distance down. Mo Farah ran 3:28 twice. You never saw him in the 1500m at a global championship, but he always had the fastest 1500m PR in his 5k and 10k fields and he always had the best kick.
ncrecuvuer wrote:
trackwonder4 wrote:
Although good at the steeple, I don't personally think she will be a medal threat at the global stage. She has one of the fastest 1500 times among the steeple international stars. She also out kicked Shelby int the mile at US indoors this past year. I strongly believe the 1500 may be her better event, she certainly has untapped potential in the event. Thoughts?
I understand, she's a great 1500m runner. The women's 1500m and 5k are ridiculously loaded right now. The steeple, not as much and there's a lot more unpredictability in the event (world final last year).
Could she medal at 1500m, maybe, but she has to improve her time to at least 3:59, show she's a very good tactician, has good raw speed for a kick and prove she can give/handle a kick from far out. That's everything Dibaba, Kipyegon, Muir, and Hassan have been able to do. Not even Houlihan has mastered handling a kick from far out (see World Indoors 3k and 1500m).
Quigley's 1500m speed is the very thing that's going to get her a medal at the global championships in the steeple. It's always good to have a solid PR in the next distance down. Mo Farah ran 3:28 twice. You never saw him in the 1500m at a global championship, but he always had the fastest 1500m PR in his 5k and 10k fields and he always had the best kick.
IN order to win or even sniff a medal at 1500m in the women's field you're going to have be able to run a 56-60 second last lap. That's fact. 1500m championships are always slow as crap in the first 800m with the women. ....but the last 800m is pure death. Look at how hassan and muir died down the stretch at the WC. Quigley ain't messing with that.
