Semenya is losing it

Um. I do know. And based on her lack of external genitalia, science considers her sex.....female.....as they consider the internalization of the testes a female phenotype. If that is the phenotype, then science says she's female even with the XY genotype. You can't assign her differently

Mail man wrote:

You need to learn the difference between gender and sex. Then try again.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Wrong.

She is biologically 46 xy intersex.

I am not quite sure you have the right to assign for her a gender that science hasn't.

Please read about 46 xy intersex

Let me also include that both the IAAF and CAS accepted this as sound evidence until Sebastian Coe, the new IAAF pres decided to make a new ruling, partially because British 800 meter runners cried.

Alabama BS wrote:

“It” is not a “she”. Quit calling it a she. It, if anything, is a male.

Runs like a male

Talks like a male

Acts like a male

Looks like a male

Chromosomes like a male

Testosterone like a male

What part of it is female? Please answer.

you forgot the one part that allowed her to pass the "sex" test

she has a vagina, and not some surgical one like bruce jenner...she never knew she had internal testes until she got an MRI. but you would have known that if you had taken the time to read the leaked sex test info back in 09. Caster is so much more different than all those others "identifying" or having some micro penis like trump. no caster was born with a vagina, she is a true HERMAPHRODITE...Alexander the great married on in india 2500yrs ago. true hermaphrodites used to be called Eunuchs, perfect to guard the kings harem. other eunuchs were men who were castrated. read and learn a little. this isnt some Connecticut transgingers parading around, this is a TRUE hermaphrodite, and prob goes for a lot of cash money to get one night with one in vegas just saying (this is for you jamin)

- the poster formally known as m!ndweak

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Um. I do know. And based on her lack of external genitalia, science considers her sex.....female.....as they consider the internalization of the testes a female phenotype.

If that is the phenotype, then science says she's female even with the XY genotype.

You can't assign her differently

Mail man wrote:

You need to learn the difference between gender and sex. Then try again.

Nah, you don't.

Science does not assign anything.

Gender is a social construct...it's what someone chooses to identify as. CS identifies as a woman---that is, as female gender.

Sex is a binary classification based on reproductive organs/chromosomes/etc. Nontypical sex, ie not fitting the binary categorization, is referred to as intersex.

Therefore, CS is an intersex woman with XY. Not difficult.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Um. I do know. And based on her lack of external genitalia, science considers her sex.....female.....as they consider the internalization of the testes a female phenotype.

If that is the phenotype, then science says she's female even with the XY genotype.

You can't assign her differently

Mail man wrote:

You need to learn the difference between gender and sex. Then try again.

Dude this was discussed on one of the other Semenya threads recently - you should dig it out and educate yourself.

Semenya is not intersex, she has 0% overian tissue. Semenya was born with a screwed up penis, which made her doctors / parents decide Semenya would be best served raised as a female. However, in reality, physically Semenya is equivalent to a pre-op transgender as far as performance against females is concerned.

milermb wrote:

"or else women track & field will die out."

It will die when most women's 800s are won in a time not much below 1:58, five seconds off world record pace.

Yeah, imagine if Melissa Bishop, Joanna Jozwik, and Brenda Martinez had won these races instead of Semenya or Wambui. Who would watch that? Besides everyone.

Again...wrong.

The ambiguity of the presentation of the genitalia (the phenotype) allows scientific research to consider her a female.

Since the "internal testes" resemble female genitals, science accepts this sexual designation regardless of the XY genotype.

It's in print in several sources.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Again...wrong.

The ambiguity of the presentation of the genitalia (the phenotype) allows scientific research to consider her a female.

Since the "internal testes" resemble female genitals, science accepts this sexual designation regardless of the XY genotype.

It's in print in several sources.

Are you actually this stupid? You keep using gender and sex wrong. You are not listening to me. They are not the same thing.

And 46XY is considered intersex.

I think you are getting the words science / scientific mixed up with the words social / society, probably willfully so there isn't really much I can add here. I was just pointing out your error as I thought you'd misunderstood the facts.

As far as the actual sporting debate goes though the lack of overian tissue means that Semenya can never be true intersex.

Asker of the important questions wrote:

I think you are getting the words science / scientific mixed up with the words social / society, probably willfully so there isn't really much I can add here. I was just pointing out your error as I thought you'd misunderstood the facts.

As far as the actual sporting debate goes though the lack of overian tissue means that Semenya can never be true intersex.

Gender is not a biological term. It is very simple.

46XY is intersex...again, it's sort of a broad term that is not actually useful in discussion of CS. What is useful is that she is 46XY (or that she is thought to be). The IAAF ruling is about 46XY DSD. This has been my point all along. Only cretins need to resort to calling her a man or it.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Semenya's best ever 800: 1:54.25

Ajee's best ever 800: 1:55.61

1.36 seconds

When Rudisha is in the 1:41/1:42 range, how can anyone realistically claim an advantage for Semenya?

Explain please.

Glad to know I can compete in the female division of track meets (despite being 100%) male, and no one can complain I have an advantage and shouldn’t be allowed to because I can’t beat the women’s world record time.

But she's not 100% anything. Her genital ambiguity is enough to render her female.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Semenya's best ever 800: 1:54.25

Ajee's best ever 800: 1:55.61

1.36 seconds

When Rudisha is in the 1:41/1:42 range, how can anyone realistically claim an advantage for Semenya?

Explain please.

Glad to know I can compete in the female division of track meets (despite being 100%) male, and no one can complain I have an advantage and shouldn’t be allowed to because I can’t beat the women’s world record time.

Sports don't have the right to override what science designates.

Asker of the important questions wrote:

I think you are getting the words science / scientific mixed up with the words social / society, probably willfully so there isn't really much I can add here. I was just pointing out your error as I thought you'd misunderstood the facts.

As far as the actual sporting debate goes though the lack of overian tissue means that Semenya can never be true intersex.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

But she's not 100% anything.

Her genital ambiguity is enough to render her female.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Glad to know I can compete in the female division of track meets (despite being 100%) male, and no one can complain I have an advantage and shouldn’t be allowed to because I can’t beat the women’s world record time.

Glad we can agree she is not 100% female.

However, seeing as female sports is for people who are 100% female only, she shouldn’t be allowed to compete in the female division.

She can compete with men.

Sancreed wrote:

He's biologically male. I've stopped bothering to argue beyond that point as only the wilfully stupid or biased refuse to concede this.

Ajee, Brenda, M. Bishop, etc, etc:

Female-X----------------------------------Male

CS etc:

Female---------------------------X--------Male

/end

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Somewhat erroneous here.

I don't accept your argument that she's male.

I don't accept that you have any sense.

Mail man wrote:

He identifies and presents as female, so call him by the correct pronoun

He is a Y chromosome Male. He identifies as a Male, and wants people to call him a female,

so he can abuse and brutalize women in women's events - in which he has no business to be in.

He is a Y chromosome Man, who's a He - NOT a female.

Why would any ambiguity lead to it being in the female category when everything points to it being a male? Why does it get to choose? Especially when you have seen the absolute domination exhibited?