What the hell is up with Tefera and Manangoi??

HitMeWithSomeFacts wrote:

Which doping problem exactly? Kenyan distance runners are getting busted like every month (not a racial statement, just an actual fact).

Good news, isn't Coevett? You used to point out that it was every week.

And go ahead and ignore the news about a possible British athlete's bust. How convenient.

tefera underperforms outdoor consistently so thats not a shocker. Manangoi struggling with Injuries. There lol.

The details of Manangoi's injury is very unclear.

Did he get during Stockholm race or before?

He says he wants to make place for younger athletes, and step up to Marathon.

HitMeWithSomeFacts wrote:

Deer Runner wrote:

Is it also unethical then for you to ignore the doping problem In Europe and elsewhere?

Which doping problem exactly? Kenyan distance runners are getting busted like every month (not a racial statement, just an actual fact). Plus the testing there been super efficient. Name some European athletes that have tested positive recently. I’ll wait.

Last I checked, Russia was still in Europe, at least the most important parts.

More importantly, when East Africans were not being busted, critics cited the inadequacy of the tests. Fair enough.

But the same problem exists in Europe and the US, although in a different form. Huge names like Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones (bigger names than the East Africans that have been caught) were not busted in competition. They were busted later when the testing technology caught up to the old forms of doping that were once state of the art.

So you can’t look at current busts, because many do not show up until years later, especially in western countries. If you look at doping with that larger lens, then it is hard to say East Africa has a bigger doping problem than Europe/US. And it is flat out wrong to assume every good African time is due to drugs but every good European time is due to talent (not saying you do that, but others clearly do).

Doping is much more available in some african countries and insentives there are higher. The answer is to improve antidoping work.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/04/doping-hotspot-ethiopia-drug-testing-epo

iceberg wrote:

HitMeWithSomeFacts wrote:

Which doping problem exactly? Kenyan distance runners are getting busted like every month (not a racial statement, just an actual fact).

Good news, isn't Coevett? You used to point out that it was every week.

And go ahead and ignore the news about a possible British athlete's bust. How convenient.

He addressed that in another thread that he hoped it was true.

iceberg wrote:

HitMeWithSomeFacts wrote:

Which doping problem exactly? Kenyan distance runners are getting busted like every month (not a racial statement, just an actual fact).

Good news, isn't Coevett? You used to point out that it was every week.

And go ahead and ignore the news about a possible British athlete's bust. How convenient.

That poster is not me - are you so insane that you think I'm the only person here who thinks there's a greater doping problem in Kenya than elsewhere?

At times during the summer it is every week. Last summer we had 3 busts in 10 days.

There is no 'possible British athlete's bust' you moran. The source for that was some dubious website in which the article claimed that the former Russian treasurer of the IAAF, who has been banned for life for his part in the Russian doping scandal, claimed there was a British athlete with 'suspicious blood figures'.

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test..Not sure about the specifics around Marion Jones.

if El K was still on here, he would tell us that manangoi is super busy planting potatoes.

but he isnt so we dont have to worry about it. but my guess would be the HEAT is on, so he now needs to come up with a phantom illness or injury, this way he can make an excuse on his slow times. OP you ask why the sudden drop in times be a result of PED use? simple

find out who they tested in stockholm and Pre....my guess is 2nd to last and 12th place doesnt get tested. he flaked to a slow time to avoid being tested or from being targeted. then will come the illness or injury excuse.....then off to avoid being tested while glowing.

predict his fall from fast times or he magically comes back by WC time to being ramzi strong

- the poster formally known as m!ndweak

Semiler wrote:

The details of Manangoi's injury is very unclear.

Did he get during Stockholm race or before?

He says he wants to make place for younger athletes, and step up to Marathon.

It's all a little suspicious.

I've never heard of a 1500m runner (and former 400m runner) talk of moving straight up to the marathon.

Did he say that before Kiptum's bust?

The odd thing about his Stockholm performance, aside from the vagueness of his 'injury problem', is that his little brother George also had a pathetic showing.

Manangoi will be missing Lausanne - http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/02/c_138193168.htm

Maybe he and Henrik can get the same physio to make their boo-boos go away.

HOOWIEE wrote:

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test..Not sure about the specifics around Marion Jones.

That’s right. The biggest doper never failed a drug test because his technology was too advanced. Marion Jones was the same thing. She got brought down in the BALCO scandal. So those people concluding that western athletes are not doping because they are not testing positive doesn’t really make much sense based on prior history. They just have better tech to avoid positives.

Manangoi -

World Champion

African Champion

Commonwealth champion

Cheruiyot -

Runner up

Runner up

Runner up

Manangoi focuses on championships. period. Diamond league is fodder and training.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Manangoi focuses on championships. period. Diamond league is fodder and training.

They have the same coach. I think Manangoi is just a better championship runner. Maybe a bit of luck too. They seem to be very close when both at their best, perhaps Manangoi just has had the run of the green in championships.

Coevett wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Manangoi focuses on championships. period. Diamond league is fodder and training.

They have the same coach. I think Manangoi is just a better championship runner. Maybe a bit of luck too. They seem to be very close when both at their best, perhaps Manangoi just has had the run of the green in championships.

Well in Cheruiyot's defense, at worlds their coach devised a strategy of "think Monaco" which meant to stretch the field. Manangoi was supposed to push the 3rd lap while cheruiyot pushed the 2nd. Manangoi backed out and left cheruiyot out to dry. Then outkicked him. So Cheruiyot stuck to the plan. Managoi bailed and went for the win. I know racing is about winning, but he left his training partner out to dry. Maybe if Cheruiyot ran a bit more selfishly, he would've won.

str8 fax wrote:

Well in Cheruiyot's defense, at worlds their coach devised a strategy of "think Monaco" which meant to stretch the field. Manangoi was supposed to push the 3rd lap while cheruiyot pushed the 2nd. Manangoi backed out and left cheruiyot out to dry. Then outkicked him. So Cheruiyot stuck to the plan. Managoi bailed and went for the win. I know racing is about winning, but he left his training partner out to dry. Maybe if Cheruiyot ran a bit more selfishly, he would've won.

I might be wrong, but Manangoi strikes me as a bit of a $hit, whereas Tim seems a decent, kind of innocent guy.

Then again, Manangoi has his supporters.

Manangoi's coach Bernard Ouma told me that he's been dealing with a hamstring issue since one week before Stockholm. No idea what's up with Tefera.

Thank you for sharing