Did anyone see that Konstanze Klosterhalfen was doing some type of repeat workout on the track after the Pre Classic ended?

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Hassan and Klosterhalfen should thank Gidey for pushing the pace yesterday, had it been a slow race Muir would have likely won again.

Muir is so amazing she can win races that she isn't even running in.

Sounds accurate wrote:

Also my point still stands. She runs one of the fastest 3000m in history and then does a workout afterwards? Hasan smokes a field in London then does a workout afterwards? Smh. NOP athletes recovering at crazy rates.

They do workouts after races. That is part of their training plan. It doesn't make a difference what time they run. They are doing the workout whether they run 8:20 or 8:50. You think just because they run fast they use more effort. A race is a race. And the fitter they are the better than can recover. It would be more suspicious if they were hammering post race workouts after struggling around running 8:50

Sounds accurate wrote:

Obviously Muir has a better kick but

it wasn't pedestrian, Muir won in 8:30. Yeah, she sat on Konstanze and waited for the right time to make a move, but Konstanze couldn't take it any faster. She knew that Muir had a better kick and tried to crank up the pace and drop Muir but couldn't. Muir is great, but I don't think she is running 8:20 and beating Obiri/Gidey/Dibaba over 3000. So Konstanze goes from going to the wall trying to drop Muir and not even taking a sting out of Muir's kick (Muir's last lap was a 28) to being able to blow by the others in the last 300m of a DL 3000.

Look at the splits. Gidey and Dibaba were exhausted from their surge around 2000m. Koko ran 64.4 for the last lap which is not very fast at all. She could in no way outkick someone like Muir or Houlihan. European indoors 3k was not fast enough (the first half was pedestrian, the first 4 all ran huge negative splits) and it was partly psychology as well, I guess. Koko knew that Muir was far better at the end but could not run fast enough to drop her and she stupidly waited for Muir to go earlier so that she might respond not taking into account that Muir could leave it until the last lap. BTW Muir similarly smoked Obiri two years ago in Karlsruhe indoors when she got 4 seconds on her in the last two laps and ran 8:26.

I don't know what Muir could have run in the 3k yesterday but very probably at least 8:22 although she is clearly focussing more on the 1500 now. Hopefully Muir and Koko will run in the Monaco Mile and there my money would be on Muir (who was somewhat afflicted with allergies last year at the Mile race in London).

And yes, Koko is better now than indoors but even indoors she was not quite at her best at the Euros (compared to the Mile in NYC and the German indoors 3k), maybe a mental/pressure thing or not ideal peaking.

oompah wrote:

will somebody please give her something to eat. Has anyone ever addressed her thinness

lol. This has been addressed forever. She obviously looks extremely thin but she has been like that since she was 16-17 and apparently never had a stress fracture in her life. (Her only major injury was Runner's knee last spring, that she didn't PB at all last year is one reason for the big jumps in PBs now) You can find videos on youtube from the Euro u20 or XC in 2015, maybe even 2014 (4th place in youth olympics 1500m).

appropo wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Hassan and Klosterhalfen should thank Gidey for pushing the pace yesterday, had it been a slow race Muir would have likely won again.

Muir is so amazing she can win races that she isn't even running in.

+1000

Sounds accurate wrote:

Also my point still stands. She runs one of the fastest 3000m in history and then does a workout afterwards? Hasan smokes a field in London then does a workout afterwards? Smh. NOP athletes recovering at crazy rates.

Jakob and Filip did

"a solid recovery session" (Gjert)

before the flight to Europe.

These are not highschool kids.

zebo wrote:

You think just because they run fast they use more effort.

Um, yeah ... I'd use more effort to run an 8:20 3000 than an 8:50 3000. But that's just me.

Yes, Laura Muir in tip-top shape would go 8:17 or 8:18 in that race I think and, given their head-to-head history, it's hard to believe that Klosterhalfen would have beaten her. Laura is right on the same level as Hassan at 1500 & 3000 (though Hassan is better at 5000). Laura Weightman ran 8:26 yesterday and, no disrepect to Laura W, but Laura Muir is clearly a quite significantly better runner (by 5 seconds over 1500).

Beeeevie wrote:

zebo wrote:

You think just because they run fast they use more effort.

Um, yeah ... I'd use more effort to run an 8:20 3000 than an 8:50 3000. But that's just me.

I could have phrased it better. What I meant is all the athletes in the race are giving the same effort, basically running a time trial. KK ran 8:20. The girl who ran 8:50 put in the same effort. She's just a slower athlete. So the if the 8:50 girl did a workout after the race it is less suspicious just because she is slower? This is nonsense.

zebo wrote:

Beeeevie wrote:

Um, yeah ... I'd use more effort to run an 8:20 3000 than an 8:50 3000. But that's just me.

I could have phrased it better. What I meant is all the athletes in the race are giving the same effort, basically running a time trial. KK ran 8:20. The girl who ran 8:50 put in the same effort. She's just a slower athlete. So the if the 8:50 girl did a workout after the race it is less suspicious just because she is slower? This is nonsense.

That's nonsensical. You think all runners have the same VO2max, lactate threshold and running economy and all exactly suffer the same? Haha.

A big difference in racing is how far someone can go to the well. How far to the physiological limit someone can race without passing out before the finish line. The mental aspect in running is huge.

It's just impossible to figure out. I'm not saying the 8:50 girl could have run anywhere near 8:20 had she suffered more (she probably could run 8:40 in a race where she is racing for the win), but for example at the top where seconds decide it's impossible to decide whether Hassan was just suffering more, or if she was in better shape than the others.

What matters at the end of the day is who won.

i wasnt complaining just was mentioning as allthe nonrunners in the room said that cant be healthy for her in the lo ng run. just like chrissy metz, if she is fine being 4oo lbs good for her but it cant be healthy for her or the bloke that has to sit next to her on the plane

I'd wager Koko won't be a medal threat by the 2023 WCs. She'll have some good results this year and next, though.

I'd wager Koko will have two golds and two silvers by 2023 and at least one world record.

Meet after meet, year after year, there is only one team on the track doing a post race workout - and it always looks hard and painful. You would think that with the success the NOP has had over the years, others would mimic it. But instead, the other teams go back to their hotel and post Insta-excuses. If the NOP was doping, there wouldn't be much of a point to be doing post race workouts until late at night - now would there be.

late night training wrote:

Meet after meet, year after year, there is only one team on the track doing a post race workout - and it always looks hard and painful. You would think that with the success the NOP has had over the years, others would mimic it. But instead, the other teams go back to their hotel and post Insta-excuses. If the NOP was doping, there wouldn't be much of a point to be doing post race workouts until late at night - now would there be.

I have seen both Tinman and NJNY doing post race workouts. I'm sure some others do it too, depending on the race.

I don't think this makes much sense.

In a race that started slow, Koko tried dropping Muir around half way, essentially being a pace for Muir. She could not drop her, and Muir blew her away. In the Pre 3000m, Koko got to draft the entire race. While she is probably fitter than indoor, I do not think she "improved massively." She just had great pacers ahead of her at Pre.

late night training wrote:

If the NOP was doping, there wouldn't be much of a point to be doing post race workouts until late at night - now would there be.

Why would doping not be used to achieve one of its purposes, i.e. to allow more intense and higher volume training?

Yes she just naturally has the frame of someone starving and is covered in anorexia body hair, but the healthy kind !

late night training wrote:

If the NOP was doping, there wouldn't be much of a point to be doing post race workouts until late at night - now would there be.

Why?