It's a binary choice at this point
It's a binary choice at this point
Air Jordan wrote:
L L wrote:
Fits perfectly in the line where I wrote:
"You are always going to get the type that will vote third party or write-in every time just to say they don't support whoever gets in."
These people are perfectly fine letting others choose the president.
Yes, when the options are a pile of dog sh!t and the other is a pile of human sh!t, then I'm good letting others decide which one to pick up.
I support voters voting for whoever they think best represent them.
If Biden fails to appeal to those voters and loses their votes, that is on Biden, not on the voters.
I've never understood people who think politicians are entitled to certain votes. EARN them.
Air Jordan wrote:
Yes, when the options are a pile of dog sh!t and the other is a pile of human sh!t, then I'm good letting others decide which one to pick up.
Yeah, but YOU have to pick it up either way.
Why let others decide what choice you have to live with?
Just like YOU have to live with whoever is sworn in next January.
L L wrote:
Yeah, but YOU have to pick it up either way.
Why let others decide what choice you have to live with?
Just like YOU have to live with whoever is sworn in next January.
Maybe Biden should try to do something to win those votes?
Agree 100%! Like I said, earn my vote. Biden hasn't earned my vote. Others are saying that he doesn't have to earn your vote, that "we" should just vote for Biden because Trump is the alternative. It's supposedly a "binary choice," right? I would disagree. I can choose not to vote for either one. Or 3rd party if I want. It might be a binary choice for you, but not to me and several others.
If I told you in real life, hey, you gotta pick up dog vs human sh!t, but you can "choose" which one. And if you don't choose, then someone else is going to choose for you. Would you really care at that point? IDK, maybe you take a look at both piles and pick the slightly smaller pile, maybe you don't pick a pile at all and let someone decide for you, since it's still sh!t in the end. I'm sure some people will pick the pile themselves and others will say F-it, I'll pick up whatever is left over.
moderates suck wrote:
L L wrote:
Yeah, but YOU have to pick it up either way.
Why let others decide what choice you have to live with?
Just like YOU have to live with whoever is sworn in next January.
Maybe Biden should try to do something to win those votes?
This x 1,000. But the problem is, the argument isn't vote for Biden because he's earned your vote. The argument is, look, Biden hasn't earned your vote, but you still have to vote for him anyways because Trump is like really really bad and mean. And Biden isn't. So vote for Biden. This is pretty much what Jill Biden said in the video I posted. Biden sucks on the issues you care about, but he's more electable...
If you truly see no difference and don't care, then there is no problem having some one else make this important decision for you. But its very hard to believe both are completely even to you, that one doesn't even slightly edge out another.
For the progressives uninspired by Biden, fair enough.
But where do you stand on issues, issues such as:
DACA
The Supreme Court
Muslim Travels ban
Minimum wage
Trumps tax cuts
Biden may not be Sanders but he isn’t Trump either and if you hand Trump four more years it will have lasting implications.
Did you really just try to make an argument that Biden's mental acuity has declined by comparing a debate highlight to a blooper reel? Is that what Bernie bros think pass for intellectual integrity? That's embarrassing.
Air Jordan wrote:
If I told you in real life, hey, you gotta pick up dog vs human sh!t, but you can "choose" which one. And if you don't choose, then someone else is going to choose for you. Would you really care at that point?
Considering one of the options is picking someone that will set up the system so that you have to pick up sh!t for the rest of your life, then yeah, I would care.
John Macardle wrote:
Did you really just try to make an argument that Biden's mental acuity has declined by comparing a debate highlight to a blooper reel? Is that what Bernie bros think pass for intellectual integrity? That's embarrassing.
Agreed, poor stuff.
Last time I saw Biden was in his final debate with Bernie and Biden done just fine.
Rachel2 wrote:
For the progressives uninspired by Biden, fair enough.
But where do you stand on issues, issues such as:
DACA
The Supreme Court
Muslim Travels ban
Minimum wage
Trumps tax cuts
Biden may not be Sanders but he isn’t Trump either and if you hand Trump four more years it will have lasting implications.
Question: are you proposing that if I or other people don't vote for Biden, that guarantees Trump 4 more yrs?
I disagree that not voting for Biden is guaranteeing Trump 4 more years. I'm not voting for Trump either. If Trump is the better candidate, then people will vote for him. Same with Biden. IMO, their chances of victory depends on their own base going out to vote for them and people who aren't apart of their base being converted to vote for them. If not enough of the aforementioned groups of people vote for them, then the other guy wins. Nothing is guaranteed for Trump, especially with the state of current affairs. The same is also true for Biden.
Rachel2 wrote:
John Macardle wrote:
Did you really just try to make an argument that Biden's mental acuity has declined by comparing a debate highlight to a blooper reel? Is that what Bernie bros think pass for intellectual integrity? That's embarrassing.
Agreed, poor stuff.
Last time I saw Biden was in his final debate with Bernie and Biden done just fine.
Intellectual integrity? Lmao, fVck out of here with that strawmanning disingenuous BS. The way I see it, both videos are highlights of his "mental acuity" and "mental decline." What do you want me to post, full length town halls/debates/interviews of the past and present to support my statement? Should I somehow provide a full mental-eval of Biden of the past and present for you to compare? I've seen all of the demo debates where Biden is a train-wreck in majority of them. Have you seen any of his debates this cycle? What about interviews? If not, STFU. If you have, then what's your take? The same can be done for Trump as well. There are videos of Trump speaking coherently and effectively in the not-so-distant past. Now, there are videos of Trump saying "oranges vs origins," can't say coffee, having the vocabulary of a middle schooler, etc. BOTH are on a mental decline. The Dems want to point it out in Trump, which is right to do so considering he's PRESIDENT. But when the Repubs or "Bernie Bros" point it out about Biden, the next Demo presidential nominee, they shout "Russian operative, hacks, Trump lover, etc."
Confirmed - Bernie Bros think that is what passes for intellectual integrity. Pathetic.
Hint: you won't find me posting a video arguing that Trump's faculties are failing by showing a highlight reel and a blooper reel. Because I'm not a lazy disingenuous bum.
moderates suck wrote:
Air Jordan wrote:
Yes, when the options are a pile of dog sh!t and the other is a pile of human sh!t, then I'm good letting others decide which one to pick up.
I support voters voting for whoever they think best represent them.
If Biden fails to appeal to those voters and loses their votes, that is on Biden, not on the voters.
I've never understood people who think politicians are entitled to certain votes. EARN them.
That's hilarious because a few months ago on the Trump thread you demanded that Democrats toe the line for Bernie "when" he becomes the nominee.
https://memecrunch.com/meme/31HER/what-do-you-want-from-me/image.jpg?w=552&c=1John Macardle wrote:
Confirmed - Bernie Bros think that is what passes for intellectual integrity. Pathetic.
Racket wrote:
That's hilarious because a few months ago on the Trump thread you demanded that Democrats toe the line for Bernie "when" he becomes the nominee.
You have me confused for somebody else. I was a Warren supporter. I have always believed that voters are free to vote for whatever candidate best represents them. My own voting history is consistent with that belief.
I did suggest that those people who insisted that anybody who supported Bernie "had to support" the eventual nominee should be consistent in applying that standard to people who supported other candidates.
I also pointed out that there is strong evidence that the narrative of "bernie or bust" or "bernie bros" was quite overstated, given that Bernie supporters in 2016 acted pretty much exactly like supporters of other candidates.
moderates suck wrote:
I guess I am voting for Biden.
I sure don't have any enthusiasm about that, though.
He is overwhelmingly likely to win my state regardless.
I am not enthusiastic about voting for Biden at all,
I am super enthusiastic about voting against Trump.
Limousine Liberals who are protected by their privilege probably don't care about removing Trump. But I don't have that kind of privilege.
Biden supporters think insulting Progressives will get them to vote for Biden, which shows how stupid they are.
Of course if they weren't stupid in the first place, they'd never be voting for an a--hole like him.