Democrat presidential debate official thread

Original Bernie Bro wrote:

Are you trying to say Senator Sanders is similar to Bill Clinton & Obama?

Not at all. They did more than just renaming post offices. I am objecting your revisionist history that Clinton and Obama only cares about abortion and gay rights.

Since you mentioned Gramm-Leach-Blilley under Clinton, let me ask you who signed Dodd Frank into law and create Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Yeah that "corporate stooge" who was only interested in abortion and gay rights. Who expanded unemployment insurance, child tax credit and earned income tax credit under American Recovery and Reinvestment Act? Who cut payroll tax and provide tax credit to first time home buyers? Yeah, the guy who was only interested in abortion and gay rights.

BTW, it was Warren who laid the groundwork for CFPB even before she joined the government. She gets things done. Bernie is all talk and little action.

I don't expect Bernie to achieve much of anything if he gets elected. He is still infinitely better than Trump, and I will vote for him if he is the nominee. He will raise my tax by a few thousands a year (if he gets his way), and he will probably hurt my retirement account by crashing the stock market. But at least he is not an existential threat like Trump is.

L L wrote:.

There is not a person in America that would choose Trump over Warren based on any character issues.

Really? Because I would.

Here is an interesting read. Like NYT, I think Warren and Klobuchar are the two best candidates. but they have never been given a fair chance.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/25/american-politics-sexism-harris-117264

still here? wrote:

L L wrote:.

There is not a person in America that would choose Trump over Warren based on any character issues.

Really? Because I would.

Really, you'd choose him based on his character? I understand you'd choose him based on policy issues but character?

coach wrote:

still here? wrote:

Really? Because I would.

Really, you'd choose him based on his character? I understand you'd choose him based on policy issues but character?

Warren is a confirmed chronic liar. You like confirmed chronic liars?

Of course Trump is way worse, no question. But the thing is, he doesn't pretend to be a PC person. Warren does. People just don't like hypocrites.

I know they have to pander to the Dem's base, but it's still a mistake.

Precisely because of Trump's draft dodging I think that Buttigieg would be an effective opponent. He'd be Obama 2.0 in terms of policy. And in my opinion, what Obama did is the maximum amount of change you can actually get done. Perhaps I'm wrong and more radical change is possible.

Sally Vix wrote:

Warren is a confirmed chronic liar. You like confirmed chronic liars?

Trump lies about everything.

He's even worse than Pete Buttigieg.

Not Born in the USA wrote:

Here is an interesting read. Like NYT, I think Warren and Klobuchar are the two best candidates. but they have never been given a fair chance.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/25/american-politics-sexism-harris-117264

Warren is hands down the best candidate when it comes to talking policy. But she is also hands down the worst candidate when it comes to political IQ. The DNA test was a disaster. Her attack on Bernie allegedly saying that a woman can't beat Trump was terrible. When pressed on how to pay for medicare for all, she waffled badly. And she has even joined the stupid Bernie Bro attacks and the Culinary Union attack. She can land a punch and was excellent taking apart Bloomberg at the last debate. But for some reason she keeps making blunder after blunder and never gets any momentum.

Klobuchar is a great candidate. She has just latched on to a centrist platform that is also occupied by Pete, Biden, Bloomberg and Steyer. In the 2020 primary, policies matter more than identity. Klobuchar's main policy point has been that we can't do what Bernie wants to do and Pete is a rat. There is definitely support for the latter, but not much for the former.

But I really cannot explain why Warren and Klobuchar aren't polling well ahead of Biden and Bloomberg. Both Bloomberg and Biden are terrible at the debates and at campaign events. I know that Biden gets a ton of his support just because he was Obama's VP, but outside of that, there is nothing there with Biden. I think there is definitely some sexism at work there.

As a conservative centrist, I can't stand Warren as an extreme panderer and race hustler and someone who seems more interested in eviscerating her opponents at this point. I could support Buttigieg, maybe Bloomberg or Biden, but nobody else. If Warren or Sanders are the nominee, I will be voting third party.

It's a shame, because Warren actually has a good story to tell. But, like you said, she has a double-digit political IQ.

This is the single stupidest bit of pandering I have ever seen, as well as one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. These clowns are the worst of our political class, and exactly why Trump is destroying them...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk-yvUOQm0E

I was just wondering how many people are only familiar with these candidates through the televised debates. I've reviewed the websites and platforms of all these candidates and Klobuchar is absolutely the only one I would vote for.

Look, I can see why many young or poor people love Bernie. He promises free insurance, free college and erasing college debts. If you are angry and feel left out of the country's success Bernie is your guy. He's smart and passionate and cares about those left out.

But he will not pass anything he pretends he is going to pass. He will end of hurting the needs of the people he says he cares about. A republican big win is not good for poor people.

The Dems would be suicidal to nominate him. He will not get it and then we will see if Bernie is just egotistical or if he rallies his team to beat Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVFlXfTW33o

Why Bloomberg is running for President - because he doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes.

https://preview.redd.it/ipa6qgwjhii41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0a464859d2f59b925828880c662c9a1c83b037a5

Martin Luther King Junior's disappointment with "moderates."

https://preview.redd.it/6kg9a40wpci41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8c14bbc95764f062859ae4ebd011dbafb3869a8a

coach wrote:

still here? wrote:

Really? Because I would.

Really, you'd choose him based on his character? I understand you'd choose him based on policy issues but character?

Character is a true false question.

Both of them fail. Yeah Trump is a bigger pain, but she is also.

Both liars. Pick your poison. Poor character for the both of them.

Then you decide on the economic difference. Warren is a handbrake.

And to be clear, I won't vote for either.

Sally Vix wrote:

Warren is a confirmed chronic liar. You like confirmed chronic liars?

Donald Trump

stated on January 30, 2020 in a tweet:

Says the USMCA is the “biggest trade deal ever made.”

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By Samantha Putterman • February 6, 2020

Donald Trump

stated on February 4, 2020:

"Years of economic decay are over" because Trump "reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration."

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By Louis Jacobson • February 6, 2020

Donald Trump

stated on January 27, 2020 in a tweet:

"The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify."

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By Bill McCarthy • January 27, 2020

Donald Trump

stated on December 3, 2019 in a press conference:

Says House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff "made up the conversation. He lied. If he didn't do that in the halls of Congress, he'd be thrown in jail. He did it in the halls of Congress, he's given immunity."

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By Louis Jacobson • December 5, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on November 20, 2019 in a tweet:

"Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America."

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By Madlin Mekelburg • November 21, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on November 15, 2019 in an interview with Dan Bongino:

"They never thought ... that I was going to release that call and I really had no choice because Adam Schiff made up a call."

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By Jon Greenberg • November 19, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on November 14, 2019 in a Facebook ad:

"Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office."

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By Tom Kertscher • November 19, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on November 12, 2019 in a tweet:

"Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from ‘angels.’ Some are very tough, hardened criminals."

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By Miriam Valverde • November 14, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on November 13, 2019 in a fundraising email:

Says William Taylor and George Kent, the public witnesses in the House impeachment inquiry, are "Never Trumpers."

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By Louis Jacobson • November 13, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on October 30, 2019 in a re-election campaign ad:

Says he is "cutting illegal immigration in half."

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By Miriam Valverde • October 31, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on October 16, 2019 in answering questions from reporters:

"The Kurds are much safer right now."

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By Tom Kertscher • October 16, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on October 9, 2019 in an ad:

"Fact: Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire its prosecutor .... Fact: the prosecutor said he was forced out for leading a corruption probe into Hunter Biden's company. Fact: Democrats want to impeach President Trump for discussing this investigation with Ukraine's President."

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By Amy Sherman • October 11, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on September 27, 2019 in a speech:

Says Republican Dan Bishop was "down by 17" points in NC congressional race and then won "by a lot."

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By Paul Specht • October 10, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on October 6, 2019 in a tweet:

Says Joe Biden "said he never spoke to the Ukrainian company, and then the picture came out where he was playing golf with the company boss and Hunter" Biden.

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By Daniel Funke • October 8, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on September 30, 2019 in a tweet:

"Longstanding whistleblower rules (were changed) just before submittal of the fake whistleblower report."

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By Jon Greenberg • October 1, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 25, 2019 in a phone call:

"A lot of people are talking about" the removal of a "very fair prosecutor" in Ukraine.

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By John Kruzel • September 26, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on August 21, 2019 in remarks at the White House:

"Yesterday we had the strongest dollar in the history of our country."

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By Louis Jacobson • August 22, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on August 19, 2019 in a tweet:

"Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election!"

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By John Kruzel • August 19, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on August 15, 2019 in a rally in Manchester, NH:

Says Pennsylvania chemical plant and Louisiana liquified natural gas plant "could never have happened" without his administration.

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By Jon Greenberg • August 16, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on August 7, 2019 in a tweet:

Says U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley were "totally misrepresenting what took place inside of the hospital. Their news conference after I left for El Paso was a fraud. It bore no resemblance to what took place with those incredible people that I was so lucky to meet and spend time with."

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By Jon Greenberg • August 9, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on August 1, 2019 in a rally in Cincinnati, Ohio:

Democrats "want virtual immunity for illegal aliens who have created horrible crimes and murder."

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By Jon Greenberg • August 2, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 12, 2019 in an interview:

U.S. farmers are receiving $16 billion "out of the tariffs that we’ve gotten from China."

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By Eric Litke • August 2, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 12, 2019 in a speech at Derco Aerospace:

"Mexico, they took 30% of our automobile business."

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By Eric Litke • July 23, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 23, 2019 in a speech to conservative high school students:

Says Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "called our country and our people garbage."

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By Jon Greenberg • July 23, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 18, 2019 in a press briefing:

Says that when his supporters chanted "send her back" about Ilhan Omar, he stopped it.

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By Amy Sherman • July 19, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 11, 2019 in a speech:

"I know that we’ve been blocked. People come up to me and they say, ‘Sir, I can’t get you — I can’t follow you. They make it impossible.’"

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By Daniel Funke • July 17, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 15, 2019 in remarks at the White House:

Says Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., was "speaking about how wonderful al-Qaida is."

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By Louis Jacobson • July 16, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on July 12, 2019 in a speech at Derco Aerospace:

"We won (Wisconsin in 2016) not so late in the evening — a little bit early in the evening, actually, which is even better."

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By Eric Litke • July 15, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on June 30, 2019 in a press conference in South Korea:

"The Obama administration was begging for a meeting" with Kim Jong Un.

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By Jon Greenberg • July 1, 2019

Donald Trump

stated on June 20, 2019 in a Telemundo interview:

"When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it."

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By Miriam Valverde • June 21, 2019

Here's the big Warren lie:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/463734-saagar-enjeti-calls-warrens-credibility-into-question

"This weekend a clip resurfaced of Warren claiming that her parents had to elope because she was part Cherokee, her mother was part Cherokee, and part Delaware.

It’s a touching story, which is also not true. An internet sleuth in 2012 found records from the 1930's indicating that Warren's parents had their marriage conducted by a prominent pastor in the town, that the witness on her parent’s marriage certificate was a family friend, that the wedding announcement in the local paper makes zero mention of the wedding being a surprise to their family.

This is not just run of the mill lying about one’s heritage for gain. This is belief to the bone and utter refusal when confronted with the facts to grapple with reality. Warren's delusions ran so deep she once claimed to be Cherokee to submit a recipe to a cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow"....Yes, really. Even better? She plagiarized the recipe that she supported from the New York Times"

O boy! That's some evil deception!

Some hard evidence that they didn't elope.

A real pastor.

Family friends there.

No mention in the paper from the 1930s that it was a surprise.

Hard evidence.

My parents eloped. My mom's parents didn't like that my dad was part Jewish.

But they had family friends at their ceremony.

And can you believe that I cannot find one newspaper article form 1965 that says my parents eloped.

This is the depths that Warren haters go to to call her a liar.

For Trump, you just have to read his daily Twitter feed.

Or wait for him to open his mouth in front of a camera and microphone.

By the way, Trump is a liar.

Also, is it possible Warren's mother told her a fabricated story.?