Democrat presidential debate official thread

There are no "latest poll results" for the vast majority of those states. Of the few battlegrounds with enough polls for an average to matter, Quinnipiac had Trump destroying everyone in Wisconsin, vs a university (i.e. weak history) poll showing the Dems eking out slight edges, so 538 is dead wrong on that one at the very least.

In general, you can't rely on any poll when turnout is impossible to predict, as was the case in 2016, as is the case now.

Another clown show, errrrrrr debate tonight. Will everybody going after Crazy Bernie ?

Corporate media (CNN & MSNBC included), Republicans and so-called middle of the road Democrats are acting like they have Senator Sanders cornered. There is a reason, the so-called left have made their so-called left issues abortion and gay rights. As long as Bill Clinton only advocated for abortion and women in the military, Republicans would not say Bill Clinton was acting like Fidel Castro &/or Joseph Stalin. As long as Obama stuck to advocating for abortion, gays in military and gay marriage, Republicans would call Obama Castro or Stalin. Democrats since LBJ have been afraid of standing up for poor people and those just getting by. A man like Senator Sanders is not backing down to corporate media, Republicans and corporate Democrats. Now the comfortable bourgeois are uncomfortable.

How does Crazy Bernie pay for his plans? He doesn't!! Wrong question. The question should be how do WE pay for his batshit plans? He's going to tax everything he can get his slimy commie hands on.

This will go over like a lead balloon on election night.

Enjoy your loss.

#Trumplandslide

"Four more years!"

KAG2020

If you want to see how Socialism works, simply look at Venezuela. It works for a brief time as the government seizes private assets and turns them into state assets and distributes the spoils among the people. But eventually the high taxes discourage foreign investment, the populace doesn't want to work because they have become accustomed to having things provided by the government, and when the state owned enterprises are no longer generating enough income because they are either no longer competitive in the world economy or because demand has shrunk, the system contracts rapidly and you end up with a situation where the currency is worthless, 80% of the populace is below the poverty line, 15% of the population has fled the country as refugees, a third of the population does not have sufficient food and all areas of government have become infiltrated by cartels in a desperate attempt to generate revenue.

joedirt wrote:

If you want to see how Socialism works, simply look at Venezuela.

Or look at Norway, since that is the model.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

How does Crazy Bernie pay for his plans? He doesn't!! Wrong question. The question should be how do WE pay for his batshit plans? He's going to tax everything he can get his slimy commie hands on.

This will go over like a lead balloon on election night.

Enjoy your loss.

#Trumplandslide

"Four more years!"

KAG2020

Do not believe the nonsense many in media are spinning regarding U.S. economy. It made no sense for U.S. equities to climb as high as U.S. equities climbed with 2.3% U.S. g.d.p. growth, 2019. You obviously love trump but you do not care how he spends tax payer money.

There are obvious sources: 1) Military spending and spending off-budget for so-called secret missions. U.S. you can say was attacked by Japanese on islands off of Alaska during WW2. Japanese attacked HI before U.S. entered WW2. Non-state Saudis attacked 9/11/2001. None of those relatively small attacks justify a military as huge as U.S. military. 2) Look at France and higher education. 3)Those earning over $250,000 will suffer tax increases and/or those with net worth greater than one million suffer tax increases.

I have given greater details previously. Do not make an issue of government spending when you care little currently about government spending under trump.

voted 3rd party before wrote:

joedirt wrote:

If you want to see how Socialism works, simply look at Venezuela.

Or look at Norway, since that is the model.

Norway is freakin tiny and it works because the benefits are limited to Norweigns. You can't move to Norway and get all that free stuff.

I don't know if you could find a more different country to base a program on.

I don't know why the other Dems are scared to go after Bernie. If ANYONE in the race should be an easy target, it's him.

How do we pay for our military budget right now?

We have a trillion dollar deficit in an economically stable and low unemployment environment.

Why doesn't Trump pay for the things he buys now?

How will he handle a down turn if he's already borrowing to get by now?

Why do fiscal conservatives give Trump a pass?

quickndirty wrote:

voted 3rd party before wrote:

Or look at Norway, since that is the model.

Norway is freakin tiny and it works because the benefits are limited to Norweigns. You can't move to Norway and get all that free stuff.

I don't know if you could find a more different country to base a program on.

I don't know why the other Dems are scared to go after Bernie. If ANYONE in the race should be an easy target, it's him.

Venezuela would be a more different country.

L L wrote:

How do we pay for our military budget right now?

Taxes

Now that There is a GOFUNDME, there is no need for Taxes, just put EVERYTHING on GOFUNDME, and The People will pay for What is Important (Example Military, Roads) and things that are not Important wont get funding, meaning the elimination of a lot of worthless programs/projects etc.

douglas burke wrote:

L L wrote:

How do we pay for our military budget right now?

Taxes

Debt

What's any of that have to do with the US? You're not too bright, are you?

voted 3rd party before wrote:

joedirt wrote:

If you want to see how Socialism works, simply look at Venezuela.

Or look at Norway, since that is the model.

Read My Struggle to get a true take on the utopia of Norway.

Original Bernie Bro wrote:

Corporate media (CNN & MSNBC included), Republicans and so-called middle of the road Democrats are acting like they have Senator Sanders cornered. There is a reason, the so-called left have made their so-called left issues abortion and gay rights. As long as Bill Clinton only advocated for abortion and women in the military, Republicans would not say Bill Clinton was acting like Fidel Castro &/or Joseph Stalin. As long as Obama stuck to advocating for abortion, gays in military and gay marriage, Republicans would call Obama Castro or Stalin. Democrats since LBJ have been afraid of standing up for poor people and those just getting by. A man like Senator Sanders is not backing down to corporate media, Republicans and corporate Democrats. Now the comfortable bourgeois are uncomfortable.

This is revisionist history.

Both Clinton and Obama raised the marginal tax rate for the high income earners.

Obama's first legislation was Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which made it easier for the employees to sure the employer for pay discrimination.

Obama also passed the ACA, which expanded health insurance to millions of people, and covered the pre-existing conditions.

Senator Sanders was the chief sponsor of seven bills that became law in his illustrious 30 year congressional career, three of which are renaming post offices. (And another is designating Vermont Bicentennial Day.)

I hope he will have more success as a president if he gets elected.

Alright here we go!

Damn, Pete is insufferable with all the interrupting.