I think you better have another think
I think you better have another think
The two progressives did themselves no favors by calling each other liars. Honesty is a huge weapon against the lying trump. The progressives chipped away at that line of attack when they are on record calling each other liars. It makes them look like lightweights. (Warren is more at fault)
Bloomberg is the dark horse here. He scares trump more than even biden.
Trump is trying to turn off Bernie supporters by saying Bernie is not being treated fairly.
The democratic candidate that can win the swing states should be nominated.
Biden is the strongest against trump but he will be the weakest debater against trump.
Whoever supports a trial without witnesses or evidence will in the future ruin both their reputation and eventually their career.
I want to hear more from Bloomberg.
[quote]facing facts wrote:
The two progressives did themselves no favors by calling each other liars.
Bloomberg is the dark horse here. He scares trump more than even biden.
Liz Warren is a pathetic liar and her dishonest smear has fully backfired. Sad you are pushing the establishment narrative.
Bloomberg is a joke. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher in NYC at this point. Mr. Charisma.
Giles Corey wrote:
[quote]facing facts wrote:
The two progressives did themselves no favors by calling each other liars.
Bloomberg is the dark horse here. He scares trump more than even biden.
Liz Warren is a pathetic liar and her dishonest smear has fully backfired. Sad you are pushing the establishment narrative.
Bloomberg is a joke. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher in NYC at this point. Mr. Charisma.
Let's go back a few years.
Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican. That is not bad, but it is a fact. Maybe Warren did not want to hold hands with Democrat Dixiecrats who were still in Democratic party in 1990s. Warren admits to voting Republican as late as 1996. Still not awful. Warren used to be a corporate attorney. Still not awful, but her path to the left is a bit questionable.
For the past few years, Warren 100% backed Senator Sanders' government sponsored healthcare for all. Buttigieg & Biden attacked her regarding cost of plan. Warren backed away from government healthcare for all from day one several weeks ago. All that did is make those on the economic left doubt Warren. Warren began going down in polls.
Warren and her staff pulled the pin. Warren and her staff pulled the pin on grenade and are attempting to take Senator Sanders down with her. Warren has been a liar for years: 1) Warren lied and said she is Native American; 2) Warren used the Native American on job applications. She denied it later. 3) Warren lied and accused Senator Sanders of making a sexiest remark. He did not do it. There are not two sides with this. Sanders did not say it. Warren is pretending today to be mad at Sanders for something he did not say in 2018. CNN is joining in to take down Sanders. So-called left leaning limousine liberal media are afraid of Sanders. Michael Moore said Warren has ruined Sanders' campaign and Moore said Warren just reelected Trump.
lot of Biden stans here wrote:
L L wrote:
So, lets give him MN. I would say Virginia but that is getting more blue since Trump's election.
He has to defend PA, MI, WI, FL, OH, AZ, IA and maybe some others.
The electoral math is still against him and the popular vote is assumed to be lost.
Virginia is not going to go for Trump. It was trending blue before Trump and that trend continues. I would put the under/over for Virginia at D+7 for 2020.
I LOVE the Virginia Dems!! Your governor was pictured in black face and the Lt governor is a rapist, and the Dems are okay with that. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the party!
I’ve been openly supporting Warren but admit the whole calling Bernie a liar and saying he called her a liar on mic was bad and undisciplined.
Or even worse if it was as calculated.
My thought is he may have said he doubted a woman would have a better chance of winning and she turned it into him saying a woman can’t win. No way he put it that way.
And even if he did, it was a private conversation and not something you put out there.
Own goal. Shot in her own foot. Like the DNA test.
But I wound still love to see her be the one to beat Trump.
Giles Corey wrote:
Liz Warren is a pathetic liar and her dishonest smear has fully backfired. Sad you are pushing the establishment narrative.
Bloomberg is a joke. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher in NYC at this point. Mr. Charisma.
Also, she refused to shake hands. Here's their post debate discussion.
https://twitter.com/ryancreeedon/status/1217643021589762049?s=19Haha to Steyer for saying hello to Bernie.
I like Steyer, but other than climate his policies are not progressive enough.
L L wrote:
I’ve been openly supporting Warren but admit the whole calling Bernie a liar and saying he called her a liar on mic was bad and undisciplined.
Or even worse if it was as calculated.
My thought is he may have said he doubted a woman would have a better chance of winning and she turned it into him saying a woman can’t win. No way he put it that way.
And even if he did, it was a private conversation and not something you put out there.
Own goal. Shot in her own foot. Like the DNA test.
But I wound still love to see her be the one to beat Trump.
That stunt will not turn Warren into Democrat flag bearer, 2020. If Warren were Democratic nominee, Warren would need Bernie Bros. Many Bernie Bros in 2016 split their votes between Jill Stein, Gary Johnson and Trump. As I stated in previous post, Warren was like a suicide commando. Fund raising has dropped off a bit for her. Warren does not believe she will win. There is no way she could beat Trump without Bernie Bros.
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
Michael Moore said Warren has ruined Sanders' campaign and Moore said Warren just reelected Trump.
Reuters: Sanders plummets to first place.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bernieblindness/comments/eq0gdc/reuters_his_campaign_knocked_off_course_by_warren/L L wrote:
I’ve been openly supporting Warren but admit the whole calling Bernie a liar and saying he called her a liar on mic was bad and undisciplined.
Or even worse if it was as calculated.
My thought is he may have said he doubted a woman would have a better chance of winning and she turned it into him saying a woman can’t win. No way he put it that way.
And even if he did, it was a private conversation and not something you put out there.
Own goal. Shot in her own foot. Like the DNA test.
But I wound still love to see her be the one to beat Trump.
If Warren has you doubting her, this is a very bad sign for her campaign.
Bringing up something Bernie said in a private conversation was a cheap trick and it surprised me coming from Warren. So what if he did say, "I don't think a female could win" two years ago. And her reaction not to shake hands, a bit theatrical for my tastes.
Bernie will not do well in the 6 swing states against Trump. National polls don't mean that much. Bernie would do very well in a debate against Trump but the social democrat crap won't fly in the swing states.
The Dems in the end will not risk betting on Bernie.
At least Warren had the COURTESY to confront him AFTER the Debate, NO ONE would have heard the Conversation if Sanders had not forgotten to turn his Mic off. To Warren's credit she did not do it for political gain/No Bad Intentions on Warren's part.
This is a joke, right? It was a totally planned attack over the weekend, from the initial leak to the media a day or two before the debate to her confrontation immediately afterwards. She's a snake. She also has no chance to win the nomination and at this point is only in the race to stop Bernie from winning by splitting the progressive vote.
Hopefully this political stunt ends up hurting her in the long run and people run quickly away from her. The hashtag #RefundWarren was trending for a while after all this went down, it'll be interesting to see how much her funding (and hopefully polling) drops.
Go Bernie Go!
I agree that Warren could not beat Trump without Bernie’s people supporting her.
That would be a pretty scummy thing if Bernie Bros did anything to help Trump win, though.
T. Paine wrote:
This is a joke, right? It was a totally planned attack over the weekend, from the initial leak to the media a day or two before the debate to her confrontation immediately afterwards. She's a snake. She also has no chance to win the nomination and at this point is only in the race to stop Bernie from winning by splitting the progressive vote.
Hopefully this political stunt ends up hurting her in the long run and people run quickly away from her. The hashtag #RefundWarren was trending for a while after all this went down, it'll be interesting to see how much her funding (and hopefully polling) drops.
Go Bernie Go!
You say it was planned, but NO ONE would have known what she said if Sanders had remembered to turn his mic off, how could Warren have known that?
douglas burke wrote:
You say it was planned, but NO ONE would have known what she said if Sanders had remembered to turn his mic off, how could Warren have known that?
Look at the start of the dialogue. The loudest part was when Warren started talking.
Thus, the mic was controlled by Warren/CNN - i.e. the perpetrators of the plan that backfired - not Bernie.
L L wrote:
I agree that Warren could not beat Trump without Bernie’s people supporting her.
That would be a pretty scummy thing if Bernie Bros did anything to help Trump win, though.
Bernie is fanatical about his beliefs. Nothing else is important to him.
He would support Warren only after a big delay. Vernie has a HUGE ego.
dunes runner wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
You say it was planned, but NO ONE would have known what she said if Sanders had remembered to turn his mic off, how could Warren have known that?
Look at the start of the dialogue. The loudest part was when Warren started talking.
Thus, the mic was controlled by Warren/CNN - i.e. the perpetrators of the plan that backfired - not Bernie.
If Warren purposely had the mic on, on purpose, then that is TOTALLY unethical. I heard on TV it was Sanders who forgot to turn off the mic, also the reporter on TV is supposed to have AT LEAST 2 RELIABLE SOURCES before he can report something, so him and/or his sources should be fired for false information (Especially if it was to favor one over the other) it puts their credibility in question.
BREAKING!
John Delaney has dropped out of the race.
That's a real game changer!
It's funny that the first caucus is only a few day away and there has been no discussion about the primary race in weeks.
L L wrote:
BREAKING!
John Delaney has dropped out of the race.
That's a real game changer!
It's funny that the first caucus is only a few day away and there has been no discussion about the primary race in weeks.
Yeah, the impeachment sham is sucking all the air out of the race.
Warren looks lifeless... like a body floating face down.
Biden sounds old and decrepit and very lost.
Buttigige not picking up any traction.
Bernie- He's on FIRE but that is the worst worst person the Dems could put against DT.
Bloomberg could win the whole thing but I don't think he can win the nomination.
He's sane, reasonable, not an extreme "woke" fool and he ran one of the biggest cities in the world.
The Democrats just voted 47-0
The Republicans voted 51-2
You can't tell me (Either Way) that All these people OBJECTIVELY looked at all the facts, and Voted what they HONESTLY believed to be right.
They Voted To Appease their Party, they did NOT Vote what they TRULY Believed, and they try to PRETEND They are beyond reproach, and have the HIGHEST Morals, Ethics and Principles.
People are SUPPOSED to do What is RIGHT, EVEN WHEN it is NOT to their Benefit or even when doing right hurts them.
Example after Sugar Ray Leonard fought Tommy Hearns to a Draw, Leonard said The Judges had it a Draw, but as far as I am concerned Tommy Won Fair and Square Tonight and In My mind I am one Win and One Loss Against Hearns.