Old D1 ace wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
I don't know anything about him really besides he's kind of annoying on these boards. It seems a little off-putting to see his constant posting on these boards as a weird form of advertisement.
You may have a point in what you say there,but I also see that he is very experienced when it comes to training methods and so on . I think it's so that most people here are so deeply rooted in their belief that more is better and therefore have very difficult to see new thinking.
Because of this I think he's a healthy fan in this forum.
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Old D1 ace
RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 4:33AM - in reply to WinnytheBish
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WinnytheBish wrote:
Nice perspective! wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Nice perspective! wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Chair_Desk wrote:
This is not for professional or students who have to get a coach.
Those who hire a coach, why do you do it? Do you judge the coach as a runner before hiring them?
Do you just want a training buddy that will push you to do every run?
What's something you don't like that coaches do?
Here are qualities that I look for in a coach:
1.) Experience. This could mean a couple of things. If it's a person in their early 20s I would look to see where they competed in College/High School for experience. If they're older than that, I'll look for where they coached and who they worked under, etc. Experience is the most important, not because of the knowledge of "x's and o's" necessarily, but the perspective.
2.) Willingness to learn. Are they hungry? Are they one of those types who act like they know everything already or the type of person who always wants to absorb more information? The best coaches typically are able to be introspective and learn something after each season. I think this is a very important quality to have as a coach and a person in growing to be the best you can be.
There are other important qualities, but these are two that I look at first. If I were you, I would look at other runners they've coached. Have they improved? Was it a result of some hobby jogging mom losing 50 pounds or did he actually coach the crap out of this person?
I think if I were looking for a private coach, the most off-putting personality trait is when they come off as a salesman more than a guru. It's hard for me to explain, but there are some club coaches that are essentially a charlatan who has tricked a bunch of people into paying them. Find out this coach's real passion for the job they're doing.
If you had to choose one out of following coach`s, who had been your choise and why? : Lydiard, Canova, Salazar,Sang, O`Colm, (or someone else).
To coach myself? Probably none of them. I'm a has been/never was. I would not be willing or able to keep up with the demands that these coaches ask of their athletes unless it was my full time job.
If I had to choose, I'd consider Salazar mostly because of the state-of-the-art resources and training environment.
What is your opinion about coach JS on the boards? Yeah, I know he is kind of a spammer, but I have checked him up and found he is legit .Seem to be a very good online coach and very nice and friendly when I chat with him .
I don't know anything about him really besides he's kind of annoying on these boards. It seems a little off-putting to see his constant posting on these boards as a weird form of advertisement. You may have a point in what you say there,but I also see that he is very experienced when it comes to training methods and so on . I think it's so that most people here are so deeply rooted in their belief that more is better and therefore have very difficult to see new thinking.
Because of this I think he's a healthy fan in this forum.
GBohannon
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RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 5:25AM - in reply to Old D1 ace
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JS - you need to use some of your coaching income to pay a spammer. I’m serious. Just give someone $20 a month or something to say nice things about you on the boards. Your writing style is a dead giveaway.
collegiate coach for years
RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 9:55AM - in reply to GBohannon
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WinnytheBish:
I like your thoughts. As someone who has hired many collegiate assistants I would add one thing. How well the assistant will get along with the head coach and staff. I will gladly take someone with slightly less experience and knowledge if they are a good person and have a willingness to learn and follow directions. Loyalty and being a good person really go a long way. I find too many young coaches these days have little clue about this. When I am asked by young coaches how to get ahead in the profession I always tell them to get to know as many coaches as possible and to be a good person. In that way, the coaches that you meet will pass along your name. I know many collegiate coaches and I would say 90% of them will hire someone they are comfortable with and someone with a good reputation. I have hired high school coaches, assistant collegiate coaches, GA's and people who aren't in the profession but show great promise. To all young coaches: Be honest, loyal, hard-working, and eager to learn. That is the way to get ahead.
WinnytheBish
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RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 10:17AM - in reply to Old D1 ace
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Old D1 ace wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Nice perspective! wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Nice perspective! wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Chair_Desk wrote:
This is not for professional or students who have to get a coach.
Those who hire a coach, why do you do it? Do you judge the coach as a runner before hiring them?
Do you just want a training buddy that will push you to do every run?
What's something you don't like that coaches do?
Here are qualities that I look for in a coach:
1.) Experience. This could mean a couple of things. If it's a person in their early 20s I would look to see where they competed in College/High School for experience. If they're older than that, I'll look for where they coached and who they worked under, etc. Experience is the most important, not because of the knowledge of "x's and o's" necessarily, but the perspective.
2.) Willingness to learn. Are they hungry? Are they one of those types who act like they know everything already or the type of person who always wants to absorb more information? The best coaches typically are able to be introspective and learn something after each season. I think this is a very important quality to have as a coach and a person in growing to be the best you can be.
There are other important qualities, but these are two that I look at first. If I were you, I would look at other runners they've coached. Have they improved? Was it a result of some hobby jogging mom losing 50 pounds or did he actually coach the crap out of this person?
I think if I were looking for a private coach, the most off-putting personality trait is when they come off as a salesman more than a guru. It's hard for me to explain, but there are some club coaches that are essentially a charlatan who has tricked a bunch of people into paying them. Find out this coach's real passion for the job they're doing.
If you had to choose one out of following coach`s, who had been your choise and why? : Lydiard, Canova, Salazar,Sang, O`Colm, (or someone else).
To coach myself? Probably none of them. I'm a has been/never was. I would not be willing or able to keep up with the demands that these coaches ask of their athletes unless it was my full time job.
If I had to choose, I'd consider Salazar mostly because of the state-of-the-art resources and training environment.
What is your opinion about coach JS on the boards? Yeah, I know he is kind of a spammer, but I have checked him up and found he is legit .Seem to be a very good online coach and very nice and friendly when I chat with him .
I don't know anything about him really besides he's kind of annoying on these boards. It seems a little off-putting to see his constant posting on these boards as a weird form of advertisement. You may have a point in what you say there,but I also see that he is very experienced when it comes to training methods and so on . I think it's so that most people here are so deeply rooted in their belief that more is better and therefore have very difficult to see new thinking.
Because of this I think he's a healthy fan in this forum.
You may be right, like I said I don't know very much about him. However, most of the posts I see by him, if not all, are self-promoting and have no actual content. I think if he were a really good private coach, we would have heard about him in some way or another without his posts.
Headmaster
RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 10:32AM - in reply to collegiate coach for years
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collegiate coach for years wrote:
WinnytheBish:
I like your thoughts. As someone who has hired many collegiate assistants I would add one thing. How well the assistant will get along with the head coach and staff. I will gladly take someone with slightly less experience and knowledge if they are a good person and have a willingness to learn and follow directions. Loyalty and being a good person really go a long way. I find too many young coaches these days have little clue about this. When I am asked by young coaches how to get ahead in the profession I always tell them to get to know as many coaches as possible and to be a good person. In that way, the coaches that you meet will pass along your name. I know many collegiate coaches and I would say 90% of them will hire someone they are comfortable with and someone with a good reputation. I have hired high school coaches, assistant collegiate coaches, GA's and people who aren't in the profession but show great promise. To all young coaches: Be honest, loyal, hard-working, and eager to learn. That is the way to get ahead. That sounds quite natural I think. You don't hire someone that is even better than the headcoach.lol
Old D1 ace
RE: What are you looking for when hiring a coach? 6/27/2019 11:00AM - in reply to WinnytheBish
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WinnytheBish wrote:
You may be right, like I said I don't know very much about him. However, most of the posts I see by him, if not all, are self-promoting and have no actual content. I think if he were a really good private coach, we would have heard about him in some way or another without his posts.
Have you ever heard about a coach outside the US if he/she has not had any medalists in international championships or winners of big half/marathons? I think maybe that is why[/quote]