Maybe there should have been outrage. Have you considered that this kind of commentary might have fostered body image issues that possibly contributed to Pre's drinking problem, and may have thus indirectly contributed to his death?
He was chunky, though. Is it possible Pre was The First Snowflake?
Did he say chunky or chumpy- as in he's a chump. I was a wise ass when I was younger and people called me a chump.
I think that is what he was referring to.
You should hear what Geoff Gowan said about Zola Budd in '85.
Even Better wrote:
You should hear what Geoff Gowan said about Zola Budd in '85.
Is this just a tease, or will you be sharing?
TheGoldenMonkey wrote:
Even Better wrote:
You should hear what Geoff Gowan said about Zola Budd in '85.
Is this just a tease, or will you be sharing?
Watch the video. It was just a blatant observation of her changed body type when she hit 18 that year.
Kara Goucher called little Allie a beast in her tweet and she took that as a compliment?
"an animal, especially a large or dangerous four-footed one"
An announcer mentions her height and weight because she is smaller than the other runners sounds more complimentary.
Pre’s a man ... not a sensitive snowflake.
Robin Thicc wrote:
TheGoldenMonkey wrote:
Is this just a tease, or will you be sharing?
Watch the video. It was just a blatant observation of her changed body type when she hit 18 that year.
Link?
but...he WAS chunky... so what is the problem?
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9442290Hagridore wrote:
but...he WAS chunky... so what is the problem?
I don’t think that one commentator’s poor choice of words about pre’s body size, is a disaster, but it’s kinda hard to know how to take it.
Is the commentator trying to say steve is not down to his presumed race weight, and thus slow?
Or is he trying to make a visual put down, like “pre, the sloppy blob of an american”?
I am not totally opposed to comments about an athlete looking below race weight or above race weight, or right at their best race weight. Those are relevant.
I do find commentary about a person’s aesthetic appeal, can get tired.
In rewatching old gymnastics coverage, these hapless commentators just keep talking about how cathy rigby was so “cute”. I can just see these old guys from ABC’s wide world of sports being like, “but she IS cute! It’s a compliment!”
Commentary about aesthetics can be safely left to comedians, in private or in public. I, for one, loved those In Living Color sketches where Venus and Serena Williams are depicted by, was it, the wayans brothers?
They were absolutely making fun of appearance, but that’s comedy, and was never supposed to be reporting.
What did Mike Jay really say? They claim that he mentioned her height and weight but that he was incorrect. Too tall or short, too heavy or light? Which is the insult? At every college basketball game, they announce the height of the players. I guess Allie would run up to the announcer and tell him that she was insulted for announcing her at 5' instead of 5'1" tall.
The late Dave Coleman is the announcer that called Pre the "chunky American."
I see nothing wrong with it. Pre was indeed a chunkster.
btw, Coleman's call of that Munich 5000 was superb. One of the greatest announcers ever, to my way of thinking.
That Chunky Monkey done hit a tree trunkee.
People are allowed to make fun of men's looks because their entire self worth and self esteem isnt directly tied to it like women's.
If they actually wanted to help women and their poor self image, they would teach them some useful skills instead of attempting to subjectively change reality.
D in the hole wrote:
People are allowed to make fun of men's looks because their entire self worth and self esteem isnt directly tied to it like women's.
If they actually wanted to help women and their poor self image, they would teach them some useful skills instead of attempting to subjectively change reality.
What?
Jay Announcer wrote:
What did Mike Jay really say? They claim that he mentioned her height and weight but that he was incorrect. Too tall or short, too heavy or light? Which is the insult? At every college basketball game, they announce the height of the players. I guess Allie would run up to the announcer and tell him that she was insulted for announcing her at 5' instead of 5'1" tall.
I finally found out what he said. Wen Ostrander made her move with 2 laps to go, he said, "“and the 5 foot 3 110 pound 2Xdefending champion has moved to the front. " His intention was that it would come across as small yet mighty.
Clearly it didn't work that way to some of women in the race and some watching on tv - some of whom may have struggled with eating issues themselves.
The reality is these things are viewed differently by the sexes but it's hard to know what is going to be a problem and what isn't. My buddies and I referred to Bob Kennedy - one of the alltime greats of US distance running - as "baby fat bob." That's what we called him as he had kind of a fat face. Now wouldI say that on a broadcast? No way.
But if Chris Solinsky had ever made it to the Olympics and was a contender, I definitely think his large size would have been the focus of a profile. That being said, just because you'd talk about it for a man doesn't mean you should do it for a woman.
It's hard to know what will and won't be viewed as a compliment / insult.
SAFP is the "pocket rocket" and she named her foundation off of that term.
For the record, I just looked Ostrander's official height and weight to see if he was too high or too low. Wikipedia lists her height and weight at 5'1 and 100 lbs.
rojo wrote:
But if Chris Solinsky had ever made it to the Olympics and was a contender, I definitely think his large size would have been the focus of a profile. That being said, just because you'd talk about it for a man doesn't mean you should do it for a woman.
I understand what you are saying however the implication is that women can suffer eating disorders whereas men cannot, and this isn't rue