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17 year old Max Burgin front runs 1:45.39!
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The reason there are so many posts in this thread are because he is white. Absolutely no doubt about that son.
And there's nothing wrong with that. First of all, African juniors can't be taken seriously ( not that the seniors can be either), and it's great that a non-Kenyann looks capable of challenging their dubious dominance. -
It would be nice if a thread about a prodigious young talent didn't descend into bickering about race/racism etc. He's an exceptional runner, origin and race doesn't come into it. Broad generalisations about any country of origin are, by their nature, flawed and lazy. It's a feature of these message boards that makes them feel pretty toxic to an occasional visitor.
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To all of you who predict great performances in the near future: here is something to consider.
His front running didn't necessarily have a negative impact on his performance. Think of Rudishas world record 2012 in London, from the front and almost even paced, no drafting and the like. Do you think he was in 1:39 shape, then?
So if Burgin starts in a senior race quite likely he won't beat his 1:45.4. Here is why: he would have a lot of traffic in the beginning, and maybe a tactical race in 1:46-47 with 5-7 men fighting it in the final straight, just to finish within 1 second all together. So calculating his time is already worth a low 1:44 or high 1:43 is nonsense.
Now I think we might have seen his best performance for this year already.
And in the future? Maybe he continues to improve to a 1:42 within a few years to become an international contender. Who knows? He seems to have started serious training earlier than most. He might as well have reached physical maturity early. A phenomenon often seen with female 15 y olds running 2:00, just to never better their times again. With male runners this is seen not quite as often, but happens all the time, too.
And at the moment he does neither have the Olympic standard of 1:45.20 nor an IAAF ranking higher than #14 of British 800 m runners (they can just send 3). So everyone who says he should concentrate on Doha WC or Tokyo OG now, is quite optimistic. -
Troll Patrol. wrote:
You're right
It was a windy 1000m from cram in 2-12 high
I'd love to know if the wind was consistently blowing in one direction and if so, in which direction.
The 1000 meters is an event in which wind (in the direction of the finish line) could be advantageous (as could of course clockwise swirling winds)... -
YMMV wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Wilson had a rabbit for all or most of his PB races.
Wilson Kipketer's indoor 1:42.67 WR with no rabbit:
https://youtu.be/FwgZMIMzP7s?t=111 -
Partridge wrote:
To all of you who predict great performances in the near future: here is something to consider.
His front running didn't necessarily have a negative impact on his performance. Think of Rudishas world record 2012 in London, from the front and almost even paced, no drafting and the like. Do you think he was in 1:39 shape, then?
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No reason to believe that he wasn't. Plus the adrenaline of an Olympic final is quite different from an English Jr. meet.It is the case that the 800 lends itself to front-running a bit more than longer events. We'll just have to wait and see on Burgin. -
Just heard from a good source that Kyle might run at Watford on Saturday. Be a good race
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Coevett wrote:
I wonder when this thread will finally get rekrunnered?
It was a great front running performance. Could he become this generation's Coe?
you asked for it wrote:
Noo, you mentioned his name!
But in this case you might enjoy rekrunner explaining why the thread's subject is super clean with super blood.
I couldn't see his blood in any of the videos. -
BMC race this weekend, the start list will be:
Jake Wightman - ran 1'44.61 in 2018
Elliot Giles - ran 1'45.04 in 2018, pb is 1'44.99 from 2017
Kyle Langford - ran 1'45.16 in 2018
Max Burgin - ran 1'45.36 this year
Charles Grice - pb of 1'45.53, though 3'33.60 and 3'52.64 over other distances
Jamie Webb - ran 1'45.73 in 2018
Zak Curran - ran 1'46.88 in 2018, pb of 1'46.78 from 2016
Christian von Eitzen - ran 1'46.88 in 2017
Spencer Thomas - ran 1'47.10 this year
Joseph Reid - ran 1'47.77 this year
Will be interesting to see what place Burgin finishes as well as his time -
Coevett wrote:
The reason there are so many posts in this thread are because he is white. Absolutely no doubt about that son.
And there's nothing wrong with that. First of all, African juniors can't be taken seriously ( not that the seniors can be either), and it's great that a non-Kenyann looks capable of challenging their dubious dominance.
Hyperbole much? That's like saying all Brits have horrible teeth! -
DMulvee wrote:
BMC race this weekend, the start list will be:
Jake Wightman - ran 1'44.61 in 2018
Elliot Giles - ran 1'45.04 in 2018, pb is 1'44.99 from 2017
Kyle Langford - ran 1'45.16 in 2018
Max Burgin - ran 1'45.36 this year
Charles Grice - pb of 1'45.53, though 3'33.60 and 3'52.64 over other distances
Jamie Webb - ran 1'45.73 in 2018
Zak Curran - ran 1'46.88 in 2018, pb of 1'46.78 from 2016
Christian von Eitzen - ran 1'46.88 in 2017
Spencer Thomas - ran 1'47.10 this year
Joseph Reid - ran 1'47.77 this year
Will be interesting to see what place Burgin finishes as well as his time
Why is Staines not in this? -
This is a BMC meet, not a championship. Is Staines in the UK and racing? (I have only seen US results from him this year)
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Will these fast young runners
1, run truly world class times in a few years.
2, Train too hard becasue they think that 800m training is all about pain tolerance?
I predict 2, because that is what most 800m runners and their coaches believe. -
rojo wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Wilson had a rabbit for all or most of his PB races.
Wilson Kipketer's indoor 1:42.67 WR with no rabbit:
https://youtu.be/FwgZMIMzP7s?t=111
Now THAT is the style I was looking for, thanks for that! Amazing that record is still on the books 22 years later with the increased competitiveness of indoor. Wilson at his peak was beautiful to behold over the grueling distance.
Too bad Rudisha never had an indoor season. -
200m of drafting in an 800m? 450-500m is common. They are drafting before 200m and the best guys other than a Rudisha or Gray are typically drafting until 100-150m to go. Amos, for instance, likes to draft until the final straight.
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Shortly before he turned 20, he ran 1:47.7/3:42/3:58.5. This showed a leap in his seventh year of competition, which started in 1970. The previous year, past 18 1/2, in his sixth year of competition, he ran 50.8 and 1:53.8 shortly before that 36.2 that is supposed to indicate 1:50 to smooth out his progression for Coe's fans. He ran 3:45 that year. Ryan Hall ran 3:42.8 as a senior and he was no miler. That doesn't mark him as that great a prospect and he was by no means new to competition. American collegians frequently run sub 4 for the mile as freshmen at approximately the same age in their first year with good quality coaching and decent training partners. Americans have run 4:09 for the mile at 15 as freshmen, and over a dozen have run sub 4 at seniors, most of them at 18. German Fernandez ran 3:55 as an 18 year old college freshman. Many Americans run sub 1:50 at 17 or 18 (usually just past their 18th birthdays) in high school. They don't go on to run 1:41.
Coe was nothing special as a prospect until Loughborough "weight training" and probably blood doping. -
cvzxvzcx wrote:
They are drafting before 200m
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Interesting to see that he twice ran around 49 flat in the 400m (48.9 and 49.1) in 1977 shortly before his 1:44.95 breakthrough (he'd been running 1:46 and 1:47 frequently that year, indicating he had a 1:45 coming) in 2nd. How'd he go from 49 flat in the 400m to 45 or 46 later on? He was already near 21 years old! In 1978 he ran a relay split of 47.3, a big improvement, early on, and then open 47.7 later. In 1979 after several commensurate runs, he had a 46.3 split and then soon after was the 1:42.33 at Oslo. He was basically as good as he would ever be at that point. He probably had a 3:28-29 in him already at nearly 23; it just wasn't asked or expected or paced out for him. So, he went from a not great prospect at 17-18, after six or seven years competition, to world record holder at 800m and mile-3:48.95, 3:32.03 at 1500m, plus a 45.5 relay split, just prior to age 23. That is an astonishing leap in 3 years for an experienced, though young, competitor.
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The pacer or front-runner. In Coe's 1:41 world record, Konchellah goes ahead by 150m where Coe begins to draft and the latter does so for about 250m before starting to move wide on the turn, not drafting much of that 2nd lap at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zM33_jFSc
Here the whole field slots in for drafting from 160m or so behind Rudisha. Aman and Solomon are running on the outside and maybe not getting full pacing after 300m but the others are. Arguably, Amos isn't close enough to get full drafting but he's not that far back--up to 640m of drafting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs
In the Olympic 800m final in 1984, the runners have broken in by 150m and drafting is beginning. Cruz wasn't setting the pace at first. A number of guys arguably drafted for 500-600m or more. Some were running wide (some were drafting wide).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFoTCuwvKHU
