Sam Tanner has now run 3:38.74 - Is he the 3rd fastest NCAA 1500/mile recruit in history behind Alan Webb and Jim Ryun?

Didn't Jordy Williamsz run 3:36 before he started at Nova?

tcm.214 wrote:

Didn't Jordy Williamsz run 3:36 before he started at Nova?

Yes, at the 2012 Swarthmore last chance meet.

Ok I'm updating the list with Williamsz (and Grant Fisher) and also adding in info on the other runners I didn't get to in the 1st post. Let me know if we are still missing anything.

Someone make sure that Tanner doesn't see it as it's depressing.

Actually, we should show this list to all of the teenage women that don't progress to show them that a lof ot teenage men don't as well.

Sub-4 HSers - Collegiate Results

Alan Webb - 3:53.43 - Michigan 1 year of college. 11th in xc. 4th in 1500 outdoors. 3:41.46 collegiate best.

Jordan Williamsz - 3:54.13 (converted from 3:36.74 1500) - Villanova Best xc finish 58th. Scored 3 times individually at NCAAs in track (5th twice outdoors, 8th once indoors).

Jim Ryun - 3:55.3 - Kansas Won 4 NCAA titles (1 in 1500, 3 in indoor mile). Ran 3:33.1 1500 and 3:51.1 mile while at Kansas.

Sam Tanner - 3:56.32 (converted from 3:38.74 1500) - Washington TBD

Adam Cotton - 3:59.08 (converted from 3:41.33 1500) -Harvard/New Mexico - Never made NCAAs. Collegiate best of 3:44.02 (3:43.25 in summer).

Reed Brown - 3:59.30 - Oregon -Still at Oregon. Best xc finish 78th. 2-time indoor mile qualifier. Best finish 8th. 3:38.76 pb.

Tim Danielson - 3:59.4 - BYU Ran 1 year of college track. Never broke 4:00 but did place 8th at USAs.

Marty Liquori - 3:59.8 - Villanova Won 5 NCAA titles. Won NCAA indoor mile and 2-mile in 1971. Won outdoor mile in 69-71.

Lukas Verzbicas - 3:59.71 -Oregon Quit NCAA after 2 cross country races to focus on triathlon. Hit by a car while training.

Grant Fisher - 3:59.38 - Stanford - 3 NCAA top 5 finishes in XC. 1 NCAA title in 5000. Runnerup at NCAAs as a senior in xc, indoor 3k and DMR and outdoor 5k.

Matthew Maton - 3:59.38 - Oregon Best xc finish was 29th. Made 1 individual NCAA indoor (9th) and outdoor (not make final) meet in his career. 3:38.62 collegiate pb for 1500.

Michael Slagowski - 3:59.53 Penn State/Eastern Oregon. Ran 1 race unattached for Penn State then left and eventually ended up at Eastern Oregon (an NAIA school), where he was the 2016 indoor mile runnerup. Collegiate best of 4:10.01 in the mile (3:59.94 in 1500).[

Brannen 3:59.85 mile as prep.

-Williamsz is a disappointment, not being able to PR significantly since 2012. In any distance. He's the only real non-progressor.

-Brown is a stud and on a good trajectory.

-Maton was progressing well....then disappeared. Not like he wasn't progressing.

-Fisher is progressing well in all distances.

-Slagowski is MIA. Abducted by UFOs?

Bernard Lagat ran a 3:37.7 at the Kenyan trials in 1996 before he started at WSU (presumably this was at altitude). Source:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20802263/bernard-lagats-story/

Also Kevin Sullivan 3:39.43 in HS before he went to Michigan

Hardloper wrote:

Also Kevin Sullivan 3:39.43 in HS before he went to Michigan

Not to mention 1:47 for 800 and held the age 15 800 record until Max Burgin came along. His 5th at Sydney 2000 was likely the first place of clean athletes.

Why would the list be depressing? Only 3 didn't run as well as in high school. One went Pro. One switched to triathlons.

Looks like Fisher and Ryun are the only ones to ever win anything.

Didn't nick Willis crack 4 prior to going to Michigan?

Editor's note: No, he ran 4:01.32 in HS.

What about Kevin Sullivan?

Progressions wrote:

-Williamsz is a disappointment, not being able to PR significantly since 2012. In any distance. He's the only real non-progressor.

?

False. Adam Cotton went into the Ivy League during the last year I was coaching at Cornell. The poor guy never even scored individually in the Ivy League. He was a total non progressor.

Not sure why you are hating on Williamsz. 2 times since HS he's run 3:36. And he was a 3-time NCAA scorer individually. Verzbicas, Maton, Slagowski, scored zero points during their entire careers at NCAAs.

Anuddah Kiwi wrote:

Didn't nick Willis crack 4 prior to going to Michigan?

4:01 and 1:48.98

Williamsz redeemed everything else he did or didn't do in college with this 200m of running:

(go to 15:00):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH5Qd0I7KaA

The Starved Elephant wrote:

Lets be rational wrote:

Why would the list be depressing? Only 3 didn't run as well as in high school. One went Pro. One switched to triathlons.

Looks like Fisher and Ryun are the only ones to ever win anything.

Liquori...

Olivier Collin had a 3:38.25 when he was recruited.

There was a thread about the fact that it might have been a bad idea for him to change coach/program and join the NCAA, given that he was injury prone...

Yes, he did get injured, never improved. Never made it to NCAA I believe.

The Starved Elephant wrote:

Lets be rational wrote:

Why would the list be depressing? Only 3 didn't run as well as in high school. One went Pro. One switched to triathlons.

Looks like Fisher and Ryun are the only ones to ever win anything.

So winning nationals is the only measure of success?

It must really suck to be you then...

Filbert Bayi

1:45.32

3:32.16 WR, CG Gold

3:51.0 WR

7:39.27

13:18.2

8:12.48 OG Silver