Coleman v De Grasse over 200 in Ostrava tonight

Tron wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Only early season in a world champs year, but who gets the bragging rights?

De Grasse had a strong finish last week. I'll go with him

Even stronger finish in this one. Looks like Coleman made up the stagger on De Grasse within first 50m.

How did Kyle Langford do?

Rankerchief wrote:

In the 800, Amel Tuka put .68 seconds on Kszczot in 2nd to win in 1:44.95, his fastest time since 2017. He’s only 28 and you might remember he ran 1:42.51 and won WC bronze in 2015.

Tuka has a 300m time of 34.46 from 2016 listed on his IAAF page, .05 slower than Miller-Uibo ran today. After her performance it’s hard to see her losing at 400 in Doha if she maintains her fitness.

Kenny Bednarek looked awful.

Coevett wrote:

How did Kyle Langford do?

Rankerchief wrote:

In the 800, Amel Tuka put .68 seconds on Kszczot in 2nd to win in 1:44.95, his fastest time since 2017. He’s only 28 and you might remember he ran 1:42.51 and won WC bronze in 2015.

Tuka has a 300m time of 34.46 from 2016 listed on his IAAF page, .05 slower than Miller-Uibo ran today. After her performance it’s hard to see her losing at 400 in Doha if she maintains her fitness.

Kenny Bednarek looked awful.

As "meh" as expected. 4th in 1:46.

I just don't like Colemans form.

How can you be that talented, that good at acceleration, and NOT be able to figure out how to finish a little better?!?! Hooooow?!?!?!

Obuters wrote:

[quote]Coevett wrote:

How did Kyle Langford do?

/quote]

As "meh" as expected. 4th in 1:46.

1:46.08

So still ranked 6th in Europe after two races, after nearly a year of injury problems?

Should be easily in sub 1:45 shape by the time Doha comes round, and has proven championship pedigree to perform when it matters.

And still no Kenyan under 1:44 this season. 800m was the one event they weren't slowing down in. I laid a bett with you all last year that this season would be different.

Rankerchief wrote:

Tuka has a 300m time of 34.46 from 2016 listed on his IAAF page, .05 slower than Miller-Uibo ran today. After her performance it’s hard to see her losing at 400 in Doha if she maintains her fitness.

It depends on whether Seyna has the balls to go all-out the whole way in Doha.

What about the 1500? We'll see on the 800. Slow starts, but some of these guys ran quite well indoors.

Coevett wrote:

Obuters wrote:

[quote]Coevett wrote:

How did Kyle Langford do?

/quote]

As "meh" as expected. 4th in 1:46.

1:46.08

So still ranked 6th in Europe after two races, after nearly a year of injury problems?

Should be easily in sub 1:45 shape by the time Doha comes round, and has proven championship pedigree to perform when it matters.

And still no Kenyan under 1:44 this season. 800m was the one event they weren't slowing down in. I laid a bett with you all last year that this season would be different.

https://www.iaaf.org/results/iaaf-world-challenge-meetings/2019/58th-ostrava-golden-spike-6546/men/800-metres/final/result#resultheader

Meh. wrote:

I just don't like Colemans form.

How can you be that talented, that good at acceleration, and NOT be able to figure out how to finish a little better?!?! Hooooow?!?!?!

This is his first 200 race in a good while, I’m sure given a few more runs he’ll figure out how to dial back the start a bit to leave power in his legs for the last 50

Also it’s good to see Degrasse back, I was afraid his talent was being impeded by his training/preparation. Is he still with Altis?

Nah he's training with Rana Reider.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

True they are dominating the 1500 top list, because it's skewed by that super fast Doha race (which I find suspicious anyway, given its location and timing at the start of the season, it always dominated by Kenyans and Moroccans, and the fact that guys who run fast there often run slow soon after - example the Manangois).

Most of the Kenyans near the top of the list are established stars at least in their mid-twenties. The exception being George Manangoi, who despite a pb in that Doha race, has had an underwhelming season so far. GB has three guys under 25 who have gone under 3:36 already this season - I think Kenya only has two (Tim and George).

ADG is baaaack!

COMPLETELY BACK.

And into a headwind...and with a weak start. That was a CL run for him—improve his start, and he’s 19.7 without headwind.

Impressive! Remember when Dix came up on Blake in the curve and Blake just said “no way”? Kind of the same here, but not as radical. At 70m ADG hit a very nice stride, and it looked like the lead stopped growing.

CC’s form is crap, he still runs like a top-loading washing machine. He’s lucky he doesn’t get injured all the time. Sure he ran 19.9, and I don’t know what kind of training he has been doing, but I could see him in 19.7 as well, depending on his training.

ADG took advantage of a jet-lagged Simbine, but beat CC fair and square. Like Guliyev, I think ADG has been playing possum. The guy does just enough to win, and seems to really be in control of his race. Real boss running. Goes from 20.2 to 19.9 in one race, easily—who saw that coming? Also to what amounts to a 10-flat or sub-10 basic.

He must now be considered a serious WC 200m medal threat. I am totally impressed. I remember him having played possum back in 2016, too. What a gamer!

I would contend that he actually ran that bend holding back quite a bit. As a matter of fact I bet he's at least moderately pleased with running the curve as easy as he did and still breaking 20.

Based on precedent (100m finishing ability), I disagree. Plus, his FORM just looks awful. Once he finishes his acceleration phases, he honestly ooks like a kid at the playground running around. He just can't hold onto his speed, and nothing in his running mechanics looks like he'll be able to put that together.

He's gonna run fast. But he's starting to look like he'll always get beaten by guys who can keep within close contact of him through his starts. It'd be interesting to see how he would fare against the NCAA champ over 100.

He'll put together a better and more maximized energy distributed 200, and when peaked, he'll be a legit 200 on terms of TIME capability. But with his complete lack of finishing ability/form (in the context of these elite guys), I believe he's just setting himself up as cannon fodder for the Normans and Lyles of the world (particularly over 200).

Sooo, where's Ronnie Baker???

Yeah, anybody know?

Coevett wrote:

GB has three guys under 25 who have gone under 3:36 already this season - I think Kenya only has two (Tim and George).

Wrong again. Simotwo has also gone 3:33. And Kwemoi.

You're an idiot.

if he doesn't blow out one of his hammies first.....

Impressive performance from Andre De Grasse. I thought that he never was going to have it again, but I am glad to be proved wrong. A few years ago he looked like a great one. Now he is showing signs of being a contender again. Still, he ran 10.04 or 10.05 with this, whereas Christian Coleman ran 9.83? recently and should be running 19.7.

CC 9.85 (+0.9) in Oslo is a basic 9.89

ADG 10.05 (-1.1) in Ostrava is a basic 9.99

So not too far apart. And who knows how hard ADG went—after all, he had a 200m to win soon after.

Both he and Blake have scored successful comebacks, which is terrific. Some think Blake has been a failure, I think he has been excellent.

Man, Geezer, you were totally wrong again, just like when you were spreadin' lies about Richardson's progression.

Try to keep up.