Commenting on an athlete's stature once may be interesting or appropriate, I think the issue was is announcer would not let it go. Same thing happened when she ran the 5000 m Olympic Trials. Over and over, the announcer referring to her as "tiny" and looking like a little kid. What does any of this have to do with the progression of a race?
Allie O speaks out against ESPN's commentating
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This criticism of media coverage is very concerning. Allie O appears to be a snowflake attempting to extinguish ESPN's right to free speech. This is a constitutional crisis. We should be able to say whatever we want without fear of snowflake liberal college students calling us out! Get me Charlie Kirk, STAT!
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what are you talking about? wrote:
Yes, let's ignore this problem in running:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/amenorrhea/symptoms-causes/syc-20369299
Because you know being infertile and having bone problems later on in life is a much better option than being transparent about the health of student athletes. Awesome idea.
Uh, no. Let's not ignore it. I have been a member of women's running teams since I was 13 years old and we are certainly not ignoring it.
Let's not have a bunch of men on a running website talk about how "baby faced" or "skinny" or "too big" a woman runner looks.
We will handle our potential for health issues ourselves. Thank you for your concern. -
badmemory wrote:
Commenting on an athlete's stature once may be interesting or appropriate, I think the issue was is announcer would not let it go. Same thing happened when she ran the 5000 m Olympic Trials. Over and over, the announcer referring to her as "tiny" and looking like a little kid. What does any of this have to do with the progression of a race?
Completely agree. It's one thing to comment that she's shorter than her competitors, but it's not that big of deal to harp on it. It's actually amazing to read this seeing people side with the commentator given there was a thread of nothing but bashing ESPN's coverage. -
just no wrote:
what are you talking about? wrote:
Yes, let's ignore this problem in running:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/amenorrhea/symptoms-causes/syc-20369299
Because you know being infertile and having bone problems later on in life is a much better option than being transparent about the health of student athletes. Awesome idea.
Uh, no. Let's not ignore it. I have been a member of women's running teams since I was 13 years old and we are certainly not ignoring it.
Let's not have a bunch of men on a running website talk about how "baby faced" or "skinny" or "too big" a woman runner looks.
We will handle our potential for health issues ourselves. Thank you for your concern.
You realize it is human nature to comment on how people look. This is not only excluded to women. Just about every new Bekele thread on here there is always somebody saying he is fat. I don't see you on those threads defending Bekele. Double standards? -
what are you talking about? wrote:
just no wrote:
what are you talking about? wrote:
Yes, let's ignore this problem in running:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/amenorrhea/symptoms-causes/syc-20369299
Because you know being infertile and having bone problems later on in life is a much better option than being transparent about the health of student athletes. Awesome idea.
Uh, no. Let's not ignore it. I have been a member of women's running teams since I was 13 years old and we are certainly not ignoring it.
Let's not have a bunch of men on a running website talk about how "baby faced" or "skinny" or "too big" a woman runner looks.
We will handle our potential for health issues ourselves. Thank you for your concern.
You realize it is human nature to comment on how people look. This is not only excluded to women. Just about every new Bekele thread on here there is always somebody saying he is fat. I don't see you on those threads defending Bekele. Double standards?
Every thread on this site that involves women quickly gets shifted to their appearance. Look at the Tuohy thread the other day. It was supposed to be about her season ending and instead, it was a bunch of people commenting and debating a developing high school girl's weight. Allie O has won three straight steeple titles, lets focus on the success she has in the event rather than her appearance on TV. -
you're right, it is human nature to comment on human appearance. fair.
it is letsrun nature to frequently twist these comments into something inappropriate or demeaning when it is comments about women. you cannot contest that. forgive me for trying to promote a culture shift. ever wonder why so few women come on this site? perhaps your attempt to deflect my comments a la "double standards" accusation is part of that reason.
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Hobby Yogging wrote:
Allie O has won three straight steeple titles, lets focus on the success she has in the event rather than her appearance on TV.
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yes it is human nature to want to talk about appearance. It's not always professional or polite to do so.
There's a large difference between commenting once that an athlete is shorter than their competitors vs. stating that an athlete looks like she should be playing with barbies and things like that multiple times. It's a matter of tact and emphasis.
If there was an albino runner, the commentator mentioning once that the skin condition creates some issues training in the sun vs. the commentator babbling "Look at his skin! It's like a ghost! Just look at it! Wow!"
Personally, I don't know if the first case needs to be said, but I'm not upset if the commenter says it. When I hear comments like the second, I think the commenter needs to be fired. "Playing with barbies" is much closer to the second." tact and emphasis.
Here's a clue. Only mention physical things if they are pertinent to the competition, and then keep the focus on how it affects the competition. Babbling on about physical appearance that has nothing to do with the sport is unprofessional and often just rude. -
yes and no wrote:
yes it is human nature to want to talk about appearance. It's not always professional or polite to do so.
There's a large difference between commenting once that an athlete is shorter than their competitors vs. stating that an athlete looks like she should be playing with barbies and things like that multiple times. It's a matter of tact and emphasis.
If there was an albino runner, the commentator mentioning once that the skin condition creates some issues training in the sun vs. the commentator babbling "Look at his skin! It's like a ghost! Just look at it! Wow!"
Personally, I don't know if the first case needs to be said, but I'm not upset if the commenter says it. When I hear comments like the second, I think the commenter needs to be fired. "Playing with barbies" is much closer to the second." tact and emphasis.
Here's a clue. Only mention physical things if they are pertinent to the competition, and then keep the focus on how it affects the competition. Babbling on about physical appearance that has nothing to do with the sport is unprofessional and often just rude.
In other words, if your commentary sounds like something your Drunk Uncle said at Thanksgiving dinner, don't say it. -
The comments don't always involve appearance as some are claiming. Sara Gaoucher, no. Just comments about her personality. Jenny Simpson, no. Dani Jones, no. Hull, no. Just her voice. Kelati, no. Rohrer, no. Karsissa Schweizer, no. Just comments about form. Brenda Martinez, no. Just comments about tactics. Frerichs, no. Just comments about transferring. Allie O, yes. She is smaller than most and looks younger. Houlihan, yes. She is faster so she will get more scrutiny. She is more muscular than most. Tuohy, yes. She is faster than other high schoolers so she will get more scrutiny. Recent photos make it appear that she has gained weight. When women fit within large part of the bell curve, comments about appearance are rare. When women do not, comments arise. When performance changes, people try to diagnose the cause.
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I'm surprised that no one has pointed out that "Baby-Faced Assassin" is the appellation very often attached to Tirunesh Dibaba
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While I'm not surprised at how many people on here are trying to justify this, it's disappointing to see. The commentator's statements are clearly inappropriate and unprofessional. And people wonder why the letsrun message boards are the joke of the running community...
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Nothing wrong with saying she’s baby faced. Don’t know what they said about height and weight but don’t think it’s necessary and no reason to get wrong.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2695972-stephen-curry-in-middle-school-the-origin-of-the-baby-faced-assassin -
Perspective wrote:
Nothing wrong with saying she’s baby faced. Don’t know what they said about height and weight but don’t think it’s necessary and no reason to get wrong.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2695972-stephen-curry-in-middle-school-the-origin-of-the-baby-faced-assassin
an example is not an argument.
they were saying she looked like she should be playing with Barbies.
If they hadn't said that then maybe I would give them more leeway, but once that line is crossed any borderline comments aren't going to fly.
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Who can blame ESPN?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB42H7kXUAEG0bS.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxoaCZ_6WkUMu7zmZQwHfTw2F955nPeoqKveRgOc5qaoRz1WPkyg
https://themw.com/images/2017/10/1/Allie_Ostrander_CROPPED_FOR_WEBSITE.jpg
Ask random people who don't know who she is to guess her age. -
let us be honest she does look little wrote:
Who can blame ESPN?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB42H7kXUAEG0bS.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxoaCZ_6WkUMu7zmZQwHfTw2F955nPeoqKveRgOc5qaoRz1WPkyg
https://themw.com/images/2017/10/1/Allie_Ostrander_CROPPED_FOR_WEBSITE.jpg
Ask random people who don't know who she is to guess her age.
Considering she's wear a uniform with the name of a popular university, I think my people could come to the conclusion she's between 18-22, not someone who looks like she plays with barbies still -
that doesn't excuse them for the Barbies comment.
It's like if they had made a remark about an obese competitor saying they ' looked like they had just finished chugging gravy' and your defense was posting a pic of the obese person. -
unprofessional wrote:
that doesn't excuse them for the Barbies comment.
Are only little kids allowed to play with barbies?
