Official 2019 Oslo DL Discussion Thread: Coburn races a woman she basically accused of being dirty, Jakob I in Dream Mile

Colburn is an average flat track runner and hit 9:00 in the steeple.

Tons of more talented women’s distance runners compared to her - one is bound to try the steeple. 8:45 seems logical to me.

Makes me wonder if she post on some of the doping threads on here.

who could have ever imagined since she CRUSHED the world record of a confirmed doper!

Coburn has guts and is 100% correct. I'd bet my life that Chepkoech has been hitting the marinara sauce.

Excusing dopers is the cowardly position.

Regrettably it’s getting to the stage where a talented track athlete will start to pull their punches for fear they will Submit an outstanding performance and thereby attract the inevitable doping accusations. The parrot cry of beating a doped up record meaning the athlete in question must be doping is lazy and ignorant.

Do I think Chepkoech is 15 seconds more talented than Coburn? -absolutely! Even my 6 year old son can see the difference in form and flow between the two of them.

I think the real issue for western athletes is the perception of an iron ceiling as far as performance is concerned. Subconsciously they think that history and precedent in the event is an absolute limit to what is possible. Therefore it is no surprise they never aspire to surpass these times themselves.

Is Emma a great American runner? Yes of course. But is she comparable to the very best talent globally? No, she is the next slight tier down.

Unfortunately the combination of being “loud” on social media platforms and outspoken on any outstanding performance, is a poor combination and smacks of sour grapes.

Look at Dibabas performance in the Rome golden gala last week. Everyone calling her for being on the juice again for running 3.56 - and yet Muir is a plucky and honest hero for almost chasing her down after being blocked and losing serious ground and momentum on the first lap. - Her performance as a result was even more impressive than Genzebes, but of course Muir doesn’t fit the profile so a positive spin is guaranteed. - See where I’m going with this?

If Coburn can't run without accusing the other competitors, then she shouldn't be running.

I am not a fan of hers.

A bad sport. wrote:

If Coburn can't run without accusing the other competitors, then she shouldn't be running.

I am not a fan of hers.

El K? Is that you?

A bad sport. wrote:

If Coburn can't run without accusing the other competitors, then she shouldn't be running.

I am not a fan of hers.

I'm an even bigger fan of hers because of her statement. Kudos to her for saying what everybody else was thinking.

The Oslo "latest updates" site has the pacing goals for Thursday. Here they are:

Not yours, obviously (unless you are one of those employed as a pacesetter for tomorrow evening and doing some late night reading when you really should be sleeping):

Men's 800m (non-Diamond):

400m - 50.5 (Cornelius Tuwei), target 1:44.8

Men's Mile:

809m - 1:55 (Harum Abda); Jordan Williams through 1150m, reaching the bell in 2:53-2:54; ; target sub-3:50

Men's 3000m:

1500m - 3:46 (Paul Robinson); Cornelius Kangogo to increase the pace through 2000m; target 7:30

Women's 800m (non-Diamond):

400m - 59.0; target sub2:00

Women's 3000m SC:

1000m - 3:00 (Caroline Tuigong); 2000m - 6:00 (Fancy Cherono); target 9:00

Men's pole vault progression:

5.31 - 5.51 - 5.61 - 5.71 - 5.81 - 5.91 - 5.96 - 6.01

Women's high jump progression:

1.80 - 1.85 - 1.88 - 1.91 - 1.94 - 1.96 +2cm

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-diamond-league/oslo-bislett-games-6530/news/live

Macdaddy wrote:

Colburn is an average flat track runner and hit 9:00 in the steeple.

Tons of more talented women’s distance runners compared to her - one is bound to try the steeple. 8:45 seems logical to me.

*Coburn

Yes, of course, this is the one event where a Kenyan would refuse to dope. I'd definitely say that's logical.

Macdaddy wrote:

Colburn is an average flat track runner and hit 9:00 in the steeple.

Tons of more talented women’s distance runners compared to her - one is bound to try the steeple. 8:45 seems logical to me.

This logic is faulty, as you're assuming that the best current flat 3000 runners are clean. They ain't.

(How fast could Wang Junxia have run the steeple, huh?)

The steeple times of Frerichs and Coburn are in line with what a clean 3000 flat great like Sonia O'Sullivan could have run, had she chosen to steeple instead.

Oslo 2019 Press Conference Part 1 (Christian Coleman (100m, USA), Dafne Schippers (200m, NED))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=537&v=BC6PFRL2NGY

Part II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGpDikyv8Rg

Finishes Coleman and Schippers then it goes to

17.30: Sydney McLaughin (USA), Kori Carter (USA), Lea Sprunger(SUI), Dalilah Muhammad (USA), Amalie Iuel (NOR) (400m hurdles)

17.50: Sam Kendricks (USA), Mondo Duplantis (SWE), Sondre Guttormsen (NOR) (pole vault)

18.15: Karsten Warholm (NOR), Kyron McMaster

Just A Sidenote The World JUNIOR Record in the Mile is 3:49.29 By Ozblizen of Kenya who now runs For Turkey, Jim Ryun ran 3:51.3 for the Mile as a Junior.

The 1500 World Junior Record of 3:28.81 is FAR SUPERIOR to the 3:49.29 mile

Lets see if Jakob Ingebrightsen goes for the WJR Tomorrow , he looked unable to go with the Pace last week, but ran a really fast last 400 to get 2nd last week, so he might not be ready, though his best 1500 time indicates it is very possible.

douglas burke wrote:

Just A Sidenote The World JUNIOR Record in the Mile is 3:49.29 By Ozblizen of Kenya who now runs For Turkey, Jim Ryun ran 3:51.3 for the Mile as a Junior.

The 1500 World Junior Record of 3:28.81 is FAR SUPERIOR to the 3:49.29 mile

Lets see if Jakob Ingebrightsen goes for the WJR Tomorrow , he looked unable to go with the Pace last week, but ran a really fast last 400 to get 2nd last week, so he might not be ready, though his best 1500 time indicates it is very possible.

;

Too bad Samba has some injury so he pulled off from the 400h.

Warholm showed great speed in bad conditions in Stockholm, would have been a nice

duel,

(but we get to se

Iuel.)

(inn 400h women)

Hill Run wrote:

Look at Dibabas performance in the Rome golden gala last week. Everyone calling her for being on the juice again for running 3.56 - and yet Muir is a plucky and honest hero for almost chasing her down after being blocked and losing serious ground and momentum on the first lap. - Her performance as a result was even more impressive than Genzebes, but of course Muir doesn’t fit the profile so a positive spin is guaranteed. - See where I’m going with this?

What's 'the profile' of a non-doper?

A good start to that profile is not to have been on a training camp where your coach was found with a year's supply of EPO in his hotel room.

Forecast tailwind of +1,X for the 100m.

https://www.yr.no/sted/Norge/Oslo/Oslo/Oslo/time_for_time.html

https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9247537,10.7333001,226m/data=!3m1!1e3

big dave22 wrote:

This logic is faulty, as you're assuming that the best current flat 3000 runners are clean. They ain't.

(How fast could Wang Junxia have run the steeple, huh?)

The steeple times of Frerichs and Coburn are in line with what a clean 3000 flat great like Sonia O'Sullivan could have run, had she chosen to steeple instead.

The flat times of Frerichs and Coburn are nowhere close to O'Sullivan but around 20-30 seconds slower in the 3k. The flat times of Chepkoech are close to O'Sullivan's. If the latter had run the steeple she should have been able to run sub 8:50 steeple if 8:40-50 flat runners like Coburn or Frerichs can run 9:00 steeple.

I don't think that Chepkoech's record is not suspicious because it obviously is.

But Jebet couldn't hurdle and had not very impressive flat times. Chepkoech can hurdle and has 4:02i/8:28/14:39 which is so much better than Jebet or Coburn respective times are that her 8:44 is not unbelieveable. (In fact it is more consistent than e.g. Frerich's flat vs. steeple times.)

trollism wrote:

Hill Run wrote:

Look at Dibabas performance in the Rome golden gala last week. Everyone calling her for being on the juice again for running 3.56 - and yet Muir is a plucky and honest hero for almost chasing her down after being blocked and losing serious ground and momentum on the first lap. - Her performance as a result was even more impressive than Genzebes, but of course Muir doesn’t fit the profile so a positive spin is guaranteed. - See where I’m going with this?

What's 'the profile' of a non-doper?

A good start to that profile is not to have been on a training camp where your coach was found with a year's supply of EPO in his hotel room.

Finally, someone speaks the truth. That whole Aden debacle is weird. It's like everyone refuses to talk about it or acknowledge it. Let's not forget Farah's close association with him as well.