Katelyn Tuohy’s season over

You are right but as others have said, kids have smartphones and they probably browse after practice or in the library. The yellow background color gives it away!

rojo wrote:

Thought #1. Anytime a teenage woman doesn't PR in a given year, I get VERY, VERY worried. Actually I probably get worried if it's male or female but very worried if it's a woman, and that was certainly the case this year.

LRC has made some tremendous contributions and helped to educate a generation of runners about training and racing, but it has also promoted the idea that every race should be a PR and the idea that it is a catastrophe if every season isn't better than the last. I think that mindset has played a part in the shortened careers of a lot of runners who get discouraged too easily, push too hard when they aren't in shape, and end up injured and hopeless. (Think Andrew Wheating, Alan Webb, German Fernandez.)

Our best runners are usually the ones who don't try to set the world on fire when they should be training smart and just competing aggressively or preparing to compete until championship season. (Think Centrowitz, Manzano, Simpson, Huddle.)

big dave22 wrote:

Wow, an overtrained mega-mileage HS girl gets injured? Shocking.

She doesn't run mega-mileage. Ignorant poster commenting garbage opinion without knowing details? Shocking.

seasoned ranker wrote:

big dave22 wrote:

Wow, an overtrained mega-mileage HS girl gets injured? Shocking.

She doesn't run mega-mileage. Ignorant poster commenting garbage opinion without knowing details? Shocking.

I mean to be fair no one knows how much she runs and anytime she's interviewed she makes it seem like a lot.

Makes more sense to get worried over GUYS not running PRs. They pretty much have no excuse. The T-train is coming, get on for the ride.

GIRLS not running PRs? Nothing surprising here. They're a lot closer to their physical peak as it is. Or are you worried they're gonna get hit by the puberty train via emerging hips, etc? If so, it's important they take it in stride and don't identify purely as a elite runners -- physical maturity might preclude that.

BS. No coach wants their runner to PR in every race. It's reasonable to expect HS and college runners to improve every year, but I've never heard of a coach panicking if it doesn't happen.

Here are the senior year race results for someone who pushed himself pretty hard in HS. I've also heard his interval training was balls to the wall, but he continued to improve for the next 8 years until unrelated to running physical problems brought him down. He never became "injured and hopeless" . Runners aren't as fragile as you think.

4/07 8:50.4 2 mile & 4:17 relay leg

4/24 8:55.6 & 4:16.6 St Clair County meet

4/28 8:59.0 Granite City Invite

5/02 9:24.2 O'Falon Relays

5/03 4:27.9 & 2:02.1 Conference meet

5/05 8:46.6 & 4:11.8 relay Orphan Relays

5/15 8:54.0 Cahokia Invite

5/18 8:53.6 & 4:10.9 District

5/21 8:48.6 & 4:08.5 Meet of Champions

5/25 4:10.0 State meet heat

5/26 8:42.6 & 4:12.2 State finals

6/01 4:05.5 Top 10 meet

6/09 8:40.9 Intl Prep Invite - HS 2 mile record

6/23 13:36.8 3 mile at Ntl Jr AAU

7/04 4:06.1 Freedom Mile (5th)

7/14 8:10.2 3000 for 3rd vs West German Jrs

7/20 8:16.0 3000 win vs Poland Jrs

7/28 13:58.2 5000 win vs USSR

Indoor? wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

She doesn't run mega-mileage. Ignorant poster commenting garbage opinion without knowing details? Shocking.

I mean to be fair no one knows how much she runs and anytime she's interviewed she makes it seem like a lot.

Who said she is injured?

Wow!!!!! wrote:

Hounddogharrier wrote:

I’ve seen her run and she doesn’t look overweight. If she did pick up 5 extra pounds that’s when the parents need to step in .

5 extra pounds? The parents need to step in? My daughter frequently ran under 18 in high school with a pr of 17:33. The last thing we did when she gained 5 extra pounds is "step in". Now I've heard it all.

Uhhh, you do know Tuohy does her slow runs at your daughter’s race pace, right ? We are talking about the greatest high school distance talent ever in the USA. If she is starting to hang around with the wrong crowd eating junk food then the parents need to step in.

If I were her dad , I’d limit her cross country races and then go pro after NXN.

People are so quick to jump on the idea that she’s gaining weight and that’s going to ruin her career because that’s what happens to other teenage girls. But honestly she doesn’t look to me like she’s gained much weight. She wasn’t a prepubescent twig before; she already looked like a strong woman. I imagine if she’s gaining weight, it’s only a few extra pounds, which isn’t going to destroy her career by any means. Shelby Houlihan is proof that bigger doesn’t always equal slower.

Plus, the stress Tuohy mentioned could have caused her to gain a few pounds via stress eating, which can easily be lost. Weight fluctuations really aren’t that big of a deal in the long run. Have you seen pictures of Karissa Schweizer in HS? She was WAY heavier; very different body type than she has now. It’s not uncommon for female athletes to gain some weight in their late teens and then get a lot leaner a few years later as their hormones even out and they figure out what training and diet works for them. So much can happen in the next several years. Heck, even Mary Cain has time to come back (though I know it’s doubtful). You can’t be on top of your game, totally focused on running, healthy, and at the perfect chiseled weight all the time. Especially in high school. Tuohy is not a pro. Give her a break.

oh boy... wrote:

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Uhhh, you do know Tuohy does her slow runs at your daughter’s race pace, right ? We are talking about the greatest high school distance talent ever in the USA. If she is starting to hang around with the wrong crowd eating junk food then the parents need to step in.

If I were her dad , I’d limit her cross country races and then go pro after NXN.

You are a clown. People like you are the reason for burnout.

What I am saying makes perfect sense. She should be in the Olympics next year . She runs in college she will be toast in 4 years .

Yeah, everyone saw this coming.

There are so many recent precedents to support this.

You want to have your best performances at the end of your COLLEGE career if you are going to be able to continue competing in the professional world.

These teen sensations generally don't pan out. Guys too.

Houlihan and Schweizer are both the same 100 pounds that they were all through high school.

I thought it was obvious that I wasn't criticizing Tuohy, her coach, or the idea that runners can train like beasts in high school and be great forever -- which I believe is true.

I was criticizing the obsession with relentless linear progress propogated by many, including many on this thread, most notably rojo. I believe that runners like the great pros I cited have suffered from lack of patience.

I think Tuohy is a stud and will stay that way. I wouldn't dream of criticizing her approach to training and racing based on anything I've seen so far.

Hejendo76 wrote:

Yep. Tuohy has shut down her season. Thoughts?

As Far as not PRing- the weather in NY this year was worse than most- I know a few kids who didn't PR until States.

It was about 94* for the 3000 Friday and the race was 1 hour later than scheduled.

That messes up preparation and nutrition,

Just a thought.

We go through this same sh!t every other year. A girl comes along and runs world beating times only to crash hard the next season because her body matured in the wrong ways. And by that I mean she gained womanly weight that is not beneficial to her as a runner. One would think you guys/gals would be wise to this bit of info by now.

Iowa photo wrote:

Houlihan and Schweizer are both the same 100 pounds that they were all through high school.

Hm.

the absolute truth wrote:

The only advice from/about LRC that she or any other young female runner needs comes from Sara Hall:

"Avoid LetsRun like the plague."

This thread is a perfect example of why.

Ok. But Jordan Hasay's dad comes here all the time.

What's your point? I've tried to edit out offensive posts about weight gain but feel like I need to allow the topic of weight be discussed if done in a civil and polite manner. I

f you were coaching a female athlete, how would you approach the important topic of weight?

Yes, I know many coaches just ignore it.

In my mind, the following are all true about weight.

a) weight matters but

b) it's unhealthy as hell to be anorexic.

c) It's uncomfortable as hell to talk about healthy eating/weight but probably does need to be talked about.

So it's hard to balance all three.

When will you people get it!!!! wrote:

We go through this same sh!t every other year. A girl comes along and runs world beating times only to crash hard the next season because her body matured in the wrong ways. And by that I mean she gained womanly weight that is not beneficial to her as a runner. One would think you guys/gals would be wise to this bit of info by now.

Well I'm sure they can overcome this, but they have to deal with these message board forums and pressure placed on them.

There are young kids reading these posts. Your aggressive behavior could be more harmful to readers than somebody trying to have a calm and reasonable discussion.