Katelyn Tuohy’s season over

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consider this wrote:

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It’s call puberty wrote:

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huh the what? wrote:

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rojo wrote:

Thought #1. Anytime a teenage woman doesn't PR in a given year, I get VERY, VERY worried. Actually I probably get worried if it's male or female but very worried if it's a woman, and that was certainly the case this year.

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Huh? Isn't it pretty much the norm that about of high school girls DON'T PR every year? If not 50% then I'd guess easily 30-40%.

I don't see it as a reason to get VERY VERY worried.

Maybe I'm out of touch and some current high school coaches can chime in. I might be way off here, but here's my view.

I'd be more worried about a girl obsessing over PRing every year leading to unhealthy training and nutritional habits than I would about a girl who is not PRing every year.

I think for the most part, if a high school coach can get a runner through high school healthy, positive about running, and with enough of a mileage/speed work built up to be able to adapt to college training their freshman year, they have done their job. If the girl also gets faster every year, then great.

In general, I think there should be improvement, but I think it might make more sense to view it as an improvement over 4 years, rather than a year-by-year linear progression.

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Pretty good point. All things being equal in terms of training, a male should get better every single year just going through puberty. But girls don’t really tend to do that. In fact, just from thinking about the girls who were monsters as freshman and sophomores when I was in high school, a lot actually get worse as they get older. Most average girls I think tend to get better year over year, but they aren’t running crazy times or anything. I think most girls that are exceptional at a young age (8th, 9th, 10th grade), actually tend to get worse or stay stagnant after they get into their 11th and 12th grade years. It’s hard to maintain that kind of level once you start becoming a woman instead of a girl. The increased body fat, wider hips, etc (which is a good thing for healthy women) just don’t allow it most times. I can think of plenty of girls from when I was in school that were absolutely studs running crazy times at little 8th and 9th grade twigs, then puberty starts to come around 10th grade and they just don’t get better or get worse. But like you said, if they can get through high school healthy with good training, a good college coach can bring them back to a high level once they are used to their mature body, just takes some time to get used to

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Girls don't go through puberty in 10th grade, or very very seldom do (that's more likely to happen in 6th than 10th).

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another bites the dust wrote:

Next!

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as a pro female runner i can tell you wrote:

Girls don't go through puberty in 10th grade, or very very seldom do (that's more likely to happen in 6th than 10th).

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In my view shutting the season down is smart but I do worry the damage has already been done(not recently but over the course of the last 2 years).
She may very well likely never come close to her times again and that will 100% be due to how she has trained.

Not sure if they are still thinking of potentially going after XC and aiming for the trials but I believe that to be a big mistake, one that could end her career very quickly. She’s super talented and has shown the ability to work hard and be a great racer. But the next year is a fragile year didn’t her where physical and mental changes will be taking place. Trying to force her into something she’s isn’t ready for puts a big burden on her. If I were the coach I’d be helping her figure out the best college to go to that works best for her. Cause in reality even at not her best she will still be a solid college runner, help a team and win a lot. That gives her 3-5 years to work through body changes and gets herself back to where her body can handle working super hard. I believe she can still be an absolute stud, but the choices they have already made hurt that and the ones they have to make in the next year can hurt or help.

Stephanie Jenks was a op 3 recruit a few
years ago. She never ran a step in college before quitting. Dont assume that a 90% Tuohy will run either.

Coaches need to take a lesson from Salazar. When he was coaching Galen Rupp in high school he wasn’t worried about Galen training for the trials or crushing every race. He kept him at a pretty low mileage and training. He wasn’t worried if Galen came in second. He knew the goal was to have Galen peak years from high school. I hope she gets some rest and takes a down year or two. She’s a terrific talent but she may be another case of too much too soon.

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rojo wrote:

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Hejendo76 wrote:

Yep. Tuohy has shut down her season. Thoughts?

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Thought #1. Anytime a teenage woman doesn't PR in a given year, I get VERY, VERY worried. Actually I probably get worried if it's male or female but very worried if it's a woman, and that was certainly the case this year.

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Hound dog looks at it a different way . Yeah she is not running her best but she just beat Chemiel by 15 seconds and she is the 2nd best runner in the country . She has no competition and is bored . She needs to go pro , seriously .

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Chris P wrote:

She did PR this year. She had an amazing cross country season where she said personal records as well as National records. And she had an amazing winter season where she set a personal record as well as a national record in a 3,000

And this spring was probably her toughest academic time of her High School career so it's no surprise that she wasn't quite as fast

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Wow, an overtrained mega-mileage HS girl gets injured? Shocking.

And other "phenom" down the tubes...

Hopefully not, though. She needs to rest, get her head on straight, lose weight, and focus on speedier (800-1500) training and scale the miles back. No reason for these HS kids to attempt elite 10,000 meter training. Look at what happened to Ritz.

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Salazar lessons wrote:

Coaches need to take a lesson from Salazar. When he was coaching Galen Rupp in high school he wasn’t worried about Galen training for the trials or crushing every race. He kept him at a pretty low mileage and training. He wasn’t worried if Galen came in second. He knew the goal was to have Galen peak years from high school. I hope she gets some rest and takes a down year or two. She’s a terrific talent but she may be another case of too much too soon.

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rojo wrote:
Thought #1. Anytime a teenage woman doesn't PR in a given year, I get VERY, VERY worried. Actually I probably get worried if it's male or female but very worried if it's a woman, and that was certainly the case this year.

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Hey there wrote:

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Jsxjxjzjznz wrote:

Don't act like you are some kind of hero because you say, "what everyone is thinking." This poor girl could read these forums and enough with real issues because of you.

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Is this a running forum or a weight loss/emotional support forum? Yes, it sucks if she has some emotional problem due to her weight gain. Yes, her slow times are likely due to her weight gain.

If she wants to continue to be a competitive runner she will need to address it, or she can continue to go home devestated.

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Yes you can gain 5-10 pounds and become a different runner almost overnight.

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longjack wrote:

if you do college season and then go all the way to the olympics.

then you are ruined for years.

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Look at those huge muscles on Klosterhalfen. Look at those huge muscles on Schweizer. Maybe Tuohy will be a weightlifter in her 20s and that's what muscles will help with?

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big dave22 wrote:
And other "phenom" down the tubes...

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Let's stop with this theory that a HS coach needs to take the training to the next level so that they can adjust to COLLEGE training.

How about college coaches learn how to develop talent coming from various training environments. Stop the one size fits all training method and adapt the training to the individuals background, then build them up.

And yes, there are physiological changes that seem to be fairly common for female distance runners between soph and junior year. Not sure if there is any medical proof that it is real, but that was the time that there was a change in many of the HS girls I worked with.

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Hounddogharrier wrote:

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Up and out wrote:

Yes you can gain 5-10 pounds and become a different runner almost overnight.

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I’ve seen her run and she doesn’t look overweight. If she did pick up 5 extra pounds that’s when the parents need to step in .

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