Graduate Transferring

You are very late in the process and your times are only good enough to help a few schools.

Don't want to tell us your times now? No one in the Pac 12 is giving your 14:45 5k money

Everybody thinks they are getting money.

Scholar expert wrote:

You are very late in the process and your times are only good enough to help a few schools.

kid's a rising senior

Graduation is not a transfer. Matriculating to a graduate school is not transfering. The rest of the post is alright though. Its kind of late to apply to grad school at this point. If you apply for spring term, in d1 (assuming you've used 3 years), you'll have just track. In D2 or NAIA, you'll have a year. One angle - if your endurance is alright, maybe you can get a scholarship to an NAIA school to do a marathon/10k double and then run xc the following fall.

Kvothe wrote:

Graduation is not a transfer. Matriculating to a graduate school is not transfering. The rest of the post is alright though. Its kind of late to apply to grad school at this point. If you apply for spring term, in d1 (assuming you've used 3 years), you'll have just track. In D2 or NAIA, you'll have a year. One angle - if your endurance is alright, maybe you can get a scholarship to an NAIA school to do a marathon/10k double and then run xc the following fall.

Don't post if you don't actually know. Regardless of how you view graduate students, the NCAA still views it as a transfer and you still have to enter the portal, and without a release you will need a waiver (a school will almost always release a grad transfer though, and even if they don't you will win the waiver process unless you are transferring to an in conference school).

For the OP, you have three years of NCAA experience. College coaches will view you as having very little upside and if you are coming from a decent program will not offer any money based on projections. At this point you are what you are, so if you are after money contact schools where you easily in the cross country top 5, or more importantly, can score or be all conference on the track (but again, based on your current ability, not what you think you can do).

You're not going to get much of anything with a 14:20 5k/sub 30 10k. A couple bottom level Pac 12 teams might throw you 10%, even the Big Sky, Mountain West and West Coast conferences you'd be lucky to get 50%. So it's not exactly FREESKOOL.

You've got to realize that most P5 schools have multiple guys around 14:10 or better. The top schools have 5 or more under 14 minutes. And some of those guys at 14:10 are walk-ons not getting anything, while others might be fortunate to have 50%.

Hot Takes wrote:

You're not going to get much of anything with a 14:20 5k/sub 30 10k. A couple bottom level Pac 12 teams might throw you 10%, even the Big Sky, Mountain West and West Coast conferences you'd be lucky to get 50%. So it's not exactly FREESKOOL.

You've got to realize that most P5 schools have multiple guys around 14:10 or better. The top schools have 5 or more under 14 minutes. And some of those guys at 14:10 are walk-ons not getting anything, while others might be fortunate to have 50%.

There are a lot of schools you could get aid, but the above is pretty much true. As I said before, college coaches will view a grad transfer at face value.

For a small scholarship your PRs would likely need to rank in a conference top 5-10, and for a large offer you would need PRs in line with the top 3 times in the conference. If you are outside of those conference rankings a lot of programs may still offer a small amount of aid if you can make the team's top 5 in XC.

Mountain West, Big Sky and Pac 12 are not just DI; they are probably three of the top 5 conferences nationally in terms of XC/distance running (some years they are the top 3). The Big 10 (the other conference you mentioned) is on the same level. The guys scoring at the back end of these conferences would win in a lot of mid major conference meets.

If aid is really important to you, you might be better off pursuing Big West (in the same general area) or opening you searh area up to include other conferences.

I thought that NCAA transfer portal isn't really working in college football these days. Steve Bartle wrote about it in his article: D1 football student-athletes are usually unable to transfer to another football program. I wish it could be much easier to get an athletic scholarship.

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Most graduate transfers don't gather scholarship money. If they do, it is normally very small. The reasoning is that most schools would rather dump their money into a freshman in order to get them in the door with the hope that they have a lot more potential to develop from being in the program 4-5 years. As a grad transfer, it is difficult to adjust you to the new training and make an immediate jump past what you have already done. Then, once colleges have finished up recruiting classes, if they have a little bit of scholarship money left over (think like less than one full scholarship) they typically use that to increase some scholarships to people who have break out years. Think like the walk-on that happens to become an all-american.

Here's your only hope for scholarship of 25% or more:

A school has a kid drop out or suddenly finds itself with extra scholarship money.

They have aspirations for a championship of some kind this year (conference or national)

They are desperate for a 5th, 6th, or 7th man.

Other than that, a school might toss you 10% as a sweetener to get you there.

curiositykilledthecat wrote:

Most graduate transfers don't gather scholarship money. If they do, it is normally very small.

False...schools have money for grad transfers. Coaches just look at them differently. Less upside to a transfer, but they are also more of a know entity.

If you have times that can score all-conference as a transfer you will get big offers from schools in that conference for one year of running. Programs love a guy like this, as freshmen rarely come in and score big in distances. A 14:20 guy could score 6-12 points in AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt or MAC. Most of those schools have scholarships and would put up big offers for guys in that range.

On the flip side a 15:15 5k gets a freshmen good offers. It gets a grad transfer walk on offers or books (if the coach needs them to shore up their 5th spot). A freshmen like that might have upside, and not a lot of high schoolers run that. But the time does not rate in any DI conference, and grad transfers don't have development time.

Schools in those conferences are severely underfunded. They dont pay big money for a 14:20. Those are facts but people dont seem to like facts. Grad transfers are almost worthless unless they are running national class times.

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