Congrats to Clayton "Young" - Is Mr Young at 25 the oldest NCAA champ in decades?

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4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:07pm EDT

re: millenials

millenials wrote:
I was 17 at graduation, birthday October 22. No skipped grades. Are they keeping kids out of school longer now? If so, it doesn't seem to translate into them learning more.

No. You are the exception. You started school earlier than most. Most kids start Kindergarten when they are 5 years old and then turn 6 sometime during the school year. There are of course exceptions where some kids will start earlier than what is normal. I'm sure that the rules vary a little from place to place but I believe that most places require kids to be 5 years old before September 1 in order to start Kindergarten. Which means that kids with September birthdays are normally the oldest in the class and kids with August birthdays are normally the youngest. This also means that kids with Sept-May birthdays are normally 18 when they graduate and those with June-Aug birthdays are normally 17 when they graduate. There are a few kids that will start a year earlier or a year later but the vast majority will fit this rule.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:09pm EDT

re: goulash

goulash wrote:
goulash wrote:
I would love for you to find data to support this. Hint: you won't be able to because it is false.
Cogburn? Still there?

Ah, sorry,

120 Years of American Education: A Statistical Portrait

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:15pm EDT

re: Cogburn

Cogburn wrote:
goulash wrote:
Cogburn? Still there?
Ah, sorry,
120 Years of American Education: A Statistical Portrait
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf

None of the figures in that study support your statement.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:20pm EDT

re: Cogburn

Cogburn wrote:
goulash wrote:
Cogburn? Still there?
Ah, sorry,
120 Years of American Education: A Statistical Portrait
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf

here is a table from wikipedia stating that most high school seniors are 17 or 18, and that most college seniors are 21 or 22. That seems generally correct, and I don't want to become as old as this Young guy by looking any harder. You'd have to go to the NCAA for redshirt statistics. I personally didn't know many, and it isn't even allowed in the Ivy League although there may be a very rare medical exemption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States

General level (or category) Level Age

Preschool Pre-kindergarten 3–5

Compulsory education

Elementary

school Kindergarten 5–6

1st grade 6–7

2nd grade 7–8

3rd grade 8–9

4th grade 9–10

5th grade 10–11

Middle

school 11–12

Junior high

school 7th grade 12–13

8th grade 13–14

High

school

Freshman/9th grade 14–15

Sophomore/10th grade 15–16

Junior/11th grade 16–17

Senior/12th grade 17–18

Higher educationSenior/12th grade 17–18

Higher education

College

(University) Undergraduate

school First year: "freshman year" 18–19

Second year: "sophomore year" 19–20

Third year: "junior year" 20–21

Fourth year: "senior year" 21–22

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:22pm EDT

re: goulash

Goulash must have been 35 in college. Dude has a thick enough skull.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:23pm EDT

re: He's Dim

He's Dim wrote:
Goulash must have been 35 in college. Dude has a thick enough skull.

Good one. Ad hominems in lieu of data.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:24pm EDT

re: Thurl Ravenscroft

Thurl Ravenscroft wrote:
millenials wrote:
I was 17 at graduation, birthday October 22. No skipped grades. Are they keeping kids out of school longer now? If so, it doesn't seem to translate into them learning more.
No. You are the exception. You started school earlier than most. Most kids start Kindergarten when they are 5 years old and then turn 6 sometime during the school year. There are of course exceptions where some kids will start earlier than what is normal. I'm sure that the rules vary a little from place to place but I believe that most places require kids to be 5 years old before September 1 in order to start Kindergarten. Which means that kids with September birthdays are normally the oldest in the class and kids with August birthdays are normally the youngest. This also means that kids with Sept-May birthdays are normally 18 when they graduate and those with June-Aug birthdays are normally 17 when they graduate. There are a few kids that will start a year earlier or a year later but the vast majority will fit this rule.

My mom wanted me out of the house as soon as possible.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:25pm EDT

re: goulash

goulash wrote:
He's Dim wrote:
Goulash must have been 35 in college. Dude has a thick enough skull.
Good one. Ad hominems in lieu of data.

How about you provide the data that shows I'm incorrect?

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:27pm EDT

re: Cogburn

Cogburn wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
General level (or category) Level Age
Preschool Pre-kindergarten 3–5
Compulsory education
Elementary
school Kindergarten 5–6
1st grade 6–7
2nd grade 7–8
3rd grade 8–9
4th grade 9–10
5th grade 10–11
Middle
school 11–12
Junior high
school 7th grade 12–13
8th grade 13–14
High
school
Freshman/9th grade 14–15
Sophomore/10th grade 15–16
Junior/11th grade 16–17
Senior/12th grade 17–18
Higher educationSenior/12th grade 17–18
Higher education
College
(University) Undergraduate
school First year: "freshman year" 18–19
Second year: "sophomore year" 19–20
Third year: "junior year" 20–21
Fourth year: "senior year" 21–22

That's the age of when they start each grade. "Most children enter the public education system around ages five or six." That mean most start 12th grade at 17-18. Certainly doesn't support your statement that most are 17 when they graduate, or just turned 18.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:27pm EDT

re: icecoldlambert

icecoldlambert wrote:
I didn't go to byu, but I did serve a mission and ran in college. The red shirt year after the mission is used to get in shape. Two years not running is tough on the body. Imagine Grant Fisher not running for 2 years and then starting his eligibility. He would suck. It may seem like an advantage, but regular Joe's could join the military and get a hold on their eligibility as well. It is a big risk for runners to take two years off of training. Some 'red shirt' missionaries never get back in shape after they get home and get cut from the team. If an athlete is really are worried about age gaps, they can extend their eligibility with something like a mission, a hardship, military service, or 'sneaky Kenyans'. I think the problem here is that you are jealous of someone's hard work.
Props to Clayton Young on winning a NCAA championship.

Foolish statement about Fisher. Who by the way raced and crushed Mantz in High School. If Fisher were a sophomore now in college at 22 years old, he would destroy everyone over the next couple of years and at multiple distances and become the greatest American collegiate distance runner EVER. He would be capable of running sub 13:05, sub 28, sub 3:35, sub 1:47 at 25 years old while in the NCAA.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:27pm EDT

re: Cogburn

Cogburn wrote:
goulash wrote:
Good one. Ad hominems in lieu of data.
How about you provide the data that shows I'm incorrect?

This is going nowhere. You'll never change a flat-earther's mind.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:40pm EDT

re: goulash

goulash wrote:
Cogburn wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
General level (or category) Level Age
Preschool Pre-kindergarten 3–5
Compulsory education
Elementary
school Kindergarten 5–6
1st grade 6–7
2nd grade 7–8
3rd grade 8–9
4th grade 9–10
5th grade 10–11
Middle
school 11–12
Junior high
school 7th grade 12–13
8th grade 13–14
High
school
Freshman/9th grade 14–15
Sophomore/10th grade 15–16
Junior/11th grade 16–17
Senior/12th grade 17–18
Higher educationSenior/12th grade 17–18
Higher education
College
(University) Undergraduate
school First year: "freshman year" 18–19
Second year: "sophomore year" 19–20
Third year: "junior year" 20–21
Fourth year: "senior year" 21–22
That's the age of when they start each grade. "Most children enter the public education system around ages five or six." That mean most start 12th grade at 17-18. Certainly doesn't support your statement that most are 17 when they graduate, or just turned 18.

I didn't see anything in that table about the age when they started a grade. I guess that "around ages five or six" could mean four or seven. Almost everybody in my started my senior class at 16 or 17, and graduated at 17 or 18, although we had some 16 year old graduates. No matter, even if they graduate high school at 20, and do the 4 in 5, they'll still be younger than this guy from BYU.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 6:44pm EDT

re: Normal is not Normal in Utah

Read the paragraph before the table. Most start elementary school at 5 or 6, so most start 12th grade at 17 or 18. Clayton started at 17.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 7:03pm EDT

re: JamesTheAmateur

Oklahoma City Univeristy has mastered getting older foreigners. Their women’s multiple national champ is 30 YEARS OLD.

Their top 5 are foreign, and 4 of them at 25 years or older. Their best runner has been to 3 colleges before OKC, and won’t even put his birthday on Facebook. He is around 28 years old or older.

“Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.”

4 years ago 06/06/2019 7:17pm EDT

re: goulash

goulash wrote:
Read the paragraph before the table. Most start elementary school at 5 or 6, so most start 12th grade at 17 or 18. Clayton started at 17.

i don't really have a problem with BYU having older athletes. it is clearly an advantage, but i don't think they're exploiting a loophole other systems aren't allowed to.

most starting kindergarten students are 4-5 years old. i was the oldest student in my grade (sept 20) save 3-4 times, and every year there were people more than a year younger than me.

I was only using that as an example of why missionaries use a red shirt year. Obviously Grant Fisher would kill it if he had more eligibility. You are missing the point man. A missionary can’t contribute in a month after they get home. They need to get back in shape. If you were only allowed exercise for 30 minutes a day for two years, you would want a redshirt year as well.

4 years ago 06/06/2019 7:33pm EDT

re: either way

either way wrote:
goulash wrote:
Read the paragraph before the table. Most start elementary school at 5 or 6, so most start 12th grade at 17 or 18. Clayton started at 17.
most starting kindergarten students are 4-5 years old. i was the oldest student in my grade (sept 20) save 3-4 times, and every year there were people more than a year younger than me.

That is false. 5-6 would be more accurate as 4 is rare.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

4 years ago 06/06/2019 7:53pm EDT

re: Look it up

Look it up wrote:
Elementary school
Kindergarten age 5 going 6. Then age 6. Then summer break.
1st grade age 6 going on 7. Then age 7. Then summer break.
2nd grade age 7 going on 8. Then age 8. Then summer break.
3rd grade age 8 going on 9. Then age 9. Then summer break.
4th grade age 9 going on 10. Then age 10. Then summer break.
5th grade age 10 going on 11. Then age 11. Then summer break.
6th grade age 11 going on 12. Then age 12. Then graduating elementary school. Then summer break.
Middle school
7th grade age 12 going on 13. Then age 13. Then summer break.
8th grade age 13 going on 14. Then age 14. Then graduating middle school. Then summer break.
High school
Freshman age 14 going on 15. Then age 15. Then summer break.
Sophomore age 15 going on 16. Then age 16. Then summer break.
Junior age 16 going on 17. Then age 17. Then summer break.
Senior age 17 going on 18. Then age 18. Then graduating high school. Then summer break.
College
Freshman age 18 going on 19. Then age 19. Then summer break.
Sophomore age 19 going on 20. Then age 20. Then summer break.
Junior age 20 going on 21. Then age 21. Then summer break.
Senior age 21 going on 22. Then age 22. Then graduating college. Then summer break.

Hey you left out the redshirt year, idiot

4 years ago 06/06/2019 7:58pm EDT

re: Cogburn

Cogburn wrote:
Cogburn wrote:
Ah, sorry,
120 Years of American Education: A Statistical Portrait
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf
here is a table from wikipedia stating that most high school seniors are 17 or 18, and that most college seniors are 21 or 22. That seems generally correct, and I don't want to become as old as this Young guy by looking any harder. You'd have to go to the NCAA for redshirt statistics. I personally didn't know many, and it isn't even allowed in the Ivy League although there may be a very rare medical exemption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
General level (or category) Level Age
Preschool Pre-kindergarten 3–5
Compulsory education
Elementary
school Kindergarten 5–6
1st grade 6–7
2nd grade 7–8
3rd grade 8–9
4th grade 9–10
5th grade 10–11
Middle
school 11–12
Junior high
school 7th grade 12–13
8th grade 13–14
High
school
Freshman/9th grade 14–15
Sophomore/10th grade 15–16
Junior/11th grade 16–17
Senior/12th grade 17–18
Higher educationSenior/12th grade 17–18
Higher education
College
(University) Undergraduate
school First year: "freshman year" 18–19
Second year: "sophomore year" 19–20
Third year: "junior year" 20–21
Fourth year: "senior year" 21–22

Another person to disregard entirely. If you aren’t mentioning the redshirt year, I highly doubt you have any history of running collegiately. So you’re comments really hold no weight here, idiot

Oops wrong “your”. Now I’m the idiot... but not as much you.

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