That would be 4:25 1600 m but she ran 1500
That would be 4:25 1600 m but she ran 1500
Does not have anyone to pace off of so her splits not too shabby. Her 4:25 followed a 9:27 the night before so maybe she was a little tired?
Meant to say splits less even
If you have an athlete who is a junior in high school and already owns national records at mile, 3k, 3200m, and 5000m, many of them indoor and outdoor, plus a host of national championships and xc course records, you're obviously doing something right. Natural talents do not do that on their own. You need a really good coach as well.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
If you have an athlete who is a junior in high school and already owns national records at mile, 3k, 3200m, and 5000m, many of them indoor and outdoor, plus a host of national championships and xc course records, you're obviously doing something right. Natural talents do not do that on their own. You need a really good coach as well.
not always...abdirizak mohamud (2x FL champ) once said in an interview that all he did for training was 3 miles a day, very hard
no proof for that particularly but there is proof that he had no idea how to train when he got to college so anything is possible
No problems with Katelyn, in fact all appears to be right on plan. Her team is actually quite conservative with her, she's only ran one all out race this spring - the anchor leg of the DMR in 4:36 at Penn relays. Everything else has been pretty measured, but her measured races often clock in at around 4:40 mile 10 minute 2 mile equivalent. There may have been a race or two where she intended to run faster, but backed off in the second half due cold/wind etc. that made an all out effort pointless. ...but, she still wins all these races to get points for her team.
On front running, she's not a kicker so she uses the correct strategy of running away from the front to make sure it's not a kicker's race. I'll admit sometimes it's a little extreme, but it's not as if she has a problem running in traffic. It happened all the time for her in grades 7-9, and she handled it just fine in her winter 3000 with the pros.
NY state meet is this weekend, where I believe she is entered in the 1500 and 3000, will be interesting to see if she goes for a fast one in either of these, or again cruises just to win. The pro 5k comes up mid June where I'm sure she will give a max effort. I don't know if she is heading to any other national meets for mile/2 mile races.
Weight training - I don't have any inside info on this topic, but it appears she simply trains for general fitness at a local health club in addition to her running. I don't think that her high school track/XC coaches have any top secret weight training program for distance runners. From my own post college experience, even if you train pretty hard and heavy with weights, as long as you continue to do running or other endurance sport, you'll get stronger and leaner, but not bulkier. The benefits come in speed, and injury prevention.
Back to the first point, In fact she's only ran 5 all out efforts during the whole school year. The 3 XC races in Rhode Island, Sunken Meadow and at Holmdel - the 3000m indoor with the pros, and the previously mentioned Penn Relays DMR. Everytihng else has bee "just to get the win".
So all is good in Tuohy land, and with her entire N Rockland team. Will be fun to see what happens now in the post season.
What? That's all horse hockey and bs. Get a life dude!
Unless she's competing against a national class runner, Tuouhy doesn't need to push the pace. If she is running against someone with a PR 30 seconds slower, she'll win in any scenario. I didn't have good 400 speed, but I would bury guys with significantly slower PR's over the last lap in duel meets.
rockland guy wrote:
On front running, she's not a kicker so she uses the correct strategy of running away from the front to make sure it's not a kicker's race. I'll admit sometimes it's a little extreme, but it's not as if she has a problem running in traffic. It happened all the time for her in grades 7-9, and she handled it just fine in her winter 3000 with the pros.
How is not being a kicker going to work out when gets to college or tries to be a pro?
And to whoever said she is a once in a generational talent... she's not, she's an extreme talent who works SUPER hard. This will not end well. You all will bash me now but then in 2 years say "What went wrong?!"
Indoor? wrote:
How is not being a kicker going to work out when gets to college or tries to be a pro?
And to whoever said she is a once in a generational talent... she's not, she's an extreme talent who works SUPER hard. This will not end well. You all will bash me now but then in 2 years say "What went wrong?!"
A) You have a point there, but you probably have no idea what she's doing to work on that. The closing speed can be developed and half the equation is endurance/maturity. So too early to tell. And for college-pro (also too early) you don't need a huge kick to be very good for XC and roads. Give it some time.
B) See A) too early to tell; give her some time, more like 3-4 years not 2.
Speed is more natural than anything, you can develop it to a point, but if you aren't genetically born with it you will only gain so much.
There's a lot of deflation around people reporting their own training to elevate their talent. If he really ran only 3M hard every day without getting injured quickly, at least he ran 7 short tempos a week, which would have been great training for 3M races and up if sustainable and sustained.
rockland guy wrote:
In fact she's only ran 5 all out efforts during the whole school year. The 3 XC races in Rhode Island, Sunken Meadow and at Holmdel - the 3000m indoor with the pros, and the previously mentioned Penn Relays DMR. Everytihng else has bee "just to get the win".
If you're running just to get the win you don't destroy your competition like she has so many times. And running within 1-3% of your PRs is not a training effort.
miss disingenuity wrote:
rockland guy wrote:
In fact she's only ran 5 all out efforts during the whole school year. The 3 XC races in Rhode Island, Sunken Meadow and at Holmdel - the 3000m indoor with the pros, and the previously mentioned Penn Relays DMR. Everytihng else has bee "just to get the win".
If you're running just to get the win you don't destroy your competition like she has so many times. And running within 1-3% of your PRs is not a training effort.
So I am curious what is an acceptably easy run? If she can run 9:50 for 2 miles, or 590 seconds, 3% is 18 seconds. So anything 10:10 or slower is "easy"? Her fastest 3000 outdoors this Spring is around 9:27 I think. She has run 9:02. So by definition all of her 3Ks have been "easy". Her fastest 1500 is 4:14.5 (last year). She has not run within 10 seconds of that this Spring. So again, acceptably "easy"?
And despite theses acceptably easy times, she has been way ahead of the others in her races.
I don't worry about typos. Everyone makes them.
But the verb "to run" is pretty central to our sport, wouldn't you say? It would be nice if people got it right. The principal parts of "to run":
present: She runs every day.
past: She ran yesterday.
past participle: She has RUN many fine races.
I know quite a few people from Rockland County. Most of them get this right. I wish everyone did.
Indoor? wrote:
How is not being a kicker going to work out when gets to college or tries to be a pro?
And to whoever said she is a once in a generational talent... she's not, she's an extreme talent who works SUPER hard. This will not end well. You all will bash me now but then in 2 years say "What went wrong?!"
This is a truly fresh idea for Letsrun, so let me be sure I understand. Everyone here believes that if a girl is great in high school, she will be an Olympian in a few years. But you, and you alone, are questioning that.
Okay. I'm going to take note. I promise not to bash you, "Indoor?", and I will return in a few years to give you credit if she doesn't rewrite the record books -- because only you and rojo have the guts to question the greatness of this child.
She's killed all of her fast twitch muscle fibers by doing too much aerobic training and mileage too soon. In the Oympics she has to race girls in the 1500 or 5k than can run a 1:57 or faster in the 800. Heck, even the Olympic Trials.
Her 800 PR (which she didn't run this year) would only put her 36 in the nation for high school girls. Many of those girls will end up being 1500/5k runners long term.
Her only hope is marathon but she's way behind kenyans and ethiopians of her own age.
Appreciate not bashing me. If you wish to dig around I’m sure you can find similar posts by me saying that Mary Cain, Sarah Baxter and Claudia Lane were hurting themselves by pushing too hard early and that they wouldn’t have futures in running.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
JamesTheAmateur wrote:
Why are her arms so muscular? This always catches me eye
She’s tiny, but has very broad shoulders for her frame. That’s why her upper body looks muscular.