75 mpw and manual labor

Break it down into doubles. And yes, you can work a manual labor job. Paul Cummings worked at a steel mill.

I ran a jack hammer and dug trenches summer before my freshman year of college. Definitely get the bulk of your miles in before you go to work, eat a good breakfast - don’t fast until lunch. You will need the food for energy/recovery guaranteed. I averaged around 70 miles a week that summer and while it wasn’t easy, I was tough as nails and ready to make the transition to higher collegiate mileage that fall for cross. I was always dog tired by Friday morning and if I took a day off that was usually the one I chose. Listen to your body and take a day off each week, especially if you’ve never been on your feet 8-10 hrs a day. For me I needed the day off. You may not, but I doubt it.

My week looked something like this:

M easy mileage

T w/up 3 miles; 800m hill repeats c/d 2 miles

W easy LR 10 miles

T 40 minute tempo (airing it out the last couple miles); cd 2 miles

F off

S w/up 3 miles and throw in some shorter fast reps on the track - something like 4 x 200m; 4 x 150m; 4x100m; full recovery jogs between each; c/d 2 miles

S 16 miles easy but not too easy.

Bowerman secured jobs for the Ducks at the wood yard.

It is great that you are building a strong work ethic.

I'd do it in singles. Doubles would make you extra tired and perhaps broken down. I'd recommend singles before work every day and not after work.

Yhhhnndndndnd wrote:

I'd do it in singles. Doubles would make you extra tired and perhaps broken down. I'd recommend singles before work every day and not after work.

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

I did it in college. I worked one summer doing park district maintenance and another on a garbage truck back when you had to get off the truck and empty the cans yourself. It was hard, but I found I did a lot better if I got up and ran before work. After work, I was always tired and couldn't run until 7 PM or later. Make sure you eat a lot throughout the day and drink a ton of water. Please don't try to get by on just coffee until lunch at 1 PM. (I'd try to eat earlier in the day, but sometimes you're stuck with the schedule they give you.) Weigh yourself. If you get too light or tired, eat more. Take a day off when you need one, even if it means not hitting your mileage goal for that week. Manual labor builds strength that doesn't show up in a training log.

wrongg wrote:

Yh wrote:

I'd do it in singles. Doubles would make you extra tired and perhaps broken down. I'd recommend singles before work every day and not after work.

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

I did it for 10 years and I did it mostly in singles after work. The key was to stay hydrated. When I failed at that I had issues.

otter wrote:

wrongg wrote:

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

I did it for 10 years and I did it mostly in singles after work. The key was to stay hydrated. When I failed at that I had issues.

Just know in my running both in training, races and in life, I do much better in breaking it down into two runs a day as opposed to one.

Kennekuk Jack wrote:

Take a day off when you need one, even if it means not hitting your mileage goal for that week. Manual labor builds strength that doesn't show up in a training log.

This for sure. Unexpected days off should be allowed to happen. I tried to run my scheduled program without taking into account what my body was already going through at work and got injured.

wronggg wrote:

Yhhhnndndndnd wrote:

I'd do it in singles. Doubles would make you extra tired and perhaps broken down. I'd recommend singles before work every day and not after work.

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

This ... I would run it as doubles.

Eat breakfast. Otherwise, you are basically doing intermittent fasting, which is a disaster for running high mileage while also working a physically demanding job. If it is warm and you are sweating at on your run and at work, you need to drink Gatorade or some sort of electrolyte replacement drink. It is very easy to fall behind on your electrolytes and end up badly dehydrated if you are not careful, especially when it gets really hot out.

Back in the day, there was a big debate among professional runners whether it was possible to train full time and not work a day job. Bill Rogers and others from his time were some of the first professional marathoners who did not work a day job. And those guys were doing 100-120 mpw.

Doubles and lots of water.

Also make sure to have some extra snacks available, you will get very hungry.

4:15 wake up is going to catch up to you. If you can manage, do 4:45am and run by 5am. If you're a morning pooper just plan routes with a bathroom available. Your body will adjust.

What's the 45 minutes for at 4:15 AM? Why not set your clothes out and have them ready to go and sleep until five of?

When I had a similar schedule I actually broke sleep into 2 parts and ran starting at 1-2am. Then I could get home clean up go back to sleep for 2-3 hrs of recovery before working . You are running 12 miles at 5 and getting picked up at 6:30...your recovery from the run will take longer throughout the day without that post-run down time.

wrongwrote:

Yhhhnndndndnd wrote:

I'd do it in singles. Doubles would make you extra tired and perhaps broken down. I'd recommend singles before work every day and not after work.

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

Wrong. Doubles means you spend more time in the day fatigued and a lower percent of the miles contribute to training adaptations since the first couple are just warm-ups. Doubles are for when you have plenty of time, not to try and save it.

To each their own. I paint houses all day in a hot climate and run about 60~75mi per week. In the fall & winter, I'll get off work around 4~5pm and go for my run. I value my sleep and prefer to sleep as late as possible, then do a single run each day. It's very hard some days after being on my feet all day, sweating and doing manual labor. Some days are miserable getting out there... but with pretty much every run I've ever done, I almost never regret it once I'm done.

areusure? wrote:

wrongwrote:

Wrong, doubles give you more energy as opposed to singles.

Wrong. Doubles means you spend more time in the day fatigued and a lower percent of the miles contribute to training adaptations since the first couple are just warm-ups. Doubles are for when you have plenty of time, not to try and save it.

Wrong, even if it is just a extra run of 2-3 miles. It is worth it.

I tried to do it and couldn't. My work need lots of overtime, too, so I worked 10+ hours a day. I was undecided on returning to the team in the fall, but by June it was decided for me. I had to work to afford school.

If you can find a summer camp to work at that will allow you 2 daily hours personal time, go for it. It's more fun, relaxing, and you might be in a great location for training. I bet some are still hiring.

The IG GOAT works in a warehouse 60+ hours a week and crushes mileage - it can be done...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkrmHQBlYt/