50 Year Old run 4:19 mile at Music City Distance Carnival

I knew you would cop out.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Mr Barton, my observations about your performance may seem unfair. I regret that. I have nothing against you personally. I may also be wrong about you and wrong in my estimation of what is naturally achievable for an athlete of 53. My questioning your performance is not proof of anything. I commented about your performance in the same way I might have evaluated a top performance by another athlete. I have difficulty in believing much about sport today. I have views, as anyone else might, but I don't claim to be expert. But if others take issue with what I have said I am quite prepared to debate with them. That is what has occurred here.

Man, you are super annoying. What exactly are you prepared to "debate" with others? Your predilection that a 53yo, former only trials steeple and staunch Mormon is doping? Seriously?

The steeple was a softer event wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Why would someone who might be capable of running 3.55 or better for the mile choose to focus on the steeple instead, where the best they can do is only 8.31? Actually, they don't.

Bayi, Malinowski, Gregorek. Again.

Add Keino and kiptanui to that list.

Jon Orange. wrote:

I knew you would cop out.

Show us your lab data. Go on, you've been promising evidence for years.

Slink off a for another few months and come back with the same old same old.

Hint: It's rate of fuel consumption you need to look at.

History wrote:

The steeple was a softer event wrote:

Bayi, Malinowski, Gregorek. Again.

Add Keino and kiptanui to that list.

Keino was a top miler in his era long before he turned to the steeplechase. Same, with Bayi mentioned earlier. That some middle-distance runners later became successful steeplechasers doesn't suggest the reverse would necessarily apply. I don't know any runner of significance who went from the steeplechase to the shorter event, with any great success.

His religion is irrelevant. For a variety of reasons, I questioned the validity of the performance. I am not the only one here who has done so. You aren't required to agree - just as I don't see it the way you do.

Just because you are doping and suck mightily, which is blatantly obvious, that doesn't mean that your betters are doping also (Brad Barton). He's just more man than you'll ever be.

Armstronglivs wrote:

What a weirdo wrote:

Man, you are super annoying. What exactly are you prepared to "debate" with others? Your predilection that a 53yo, former only trials steeple and staunch Mormon is doping? Seriously?

His religion is irrelevant. For a variety of reasons, I questioned the validity of the performance. I am not the only one here who has done so. You aren't required to agree - just as I don't see it the way you do.

here you have it.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

History wrote:

Add Keino and kiptanui to that list.

Keino was a top miler in his era long before he turned to the steeplechase. Same, with Bayi mentioned earlier. That some middle-distance runners later became successful steeplechasers doesn't suggest the reverse would necessarily apply. I don't know any runner of significance who went from the steeplechase to the shorter event, with any great success.

Jenny Simpson.

Bruce Bickford moved from steeplechase to 10000m with any great success.

ido wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Keino was a top miler in his era long before he turned to the steeplechase. Same, with Bayi mentioned earlier. That some middle-distance runners later became successful steeplechasers doesn't suggest the reverse would necessarily apply. I don't know any runner of significance who went from the steeplechase to the shorter event, with any great success.

Jenny Simpson.

Bruce Bickford moved from steeplechase to 10000m with any great success.

It's like Armstronglivs doesn't know much about running.

Simpsons Sears wrote:

ido wrote:

Jenny Simpson.

Bruce Bickford moved from steeplechase to 10000m with any great success.

It's like Armstronglivs doesn't know much about running.

I know enough to know that an 8.31 steeplechase doesn't presuppose much about the mile. It certainly doesn't establish that an 8.31 steeplechaser is capable of a 3.55 mile. That you are all anxious to do that suggests your own scepticism about a 4.05 miler (which is quite in the realm of an 8.31 steeplechase) running 4.19 for the mile at age 53. Or why would so many of you keep arguing this point?

YOU are doping wrote:

Just because you are doping and suck mightily, which is blatantly obvious, that doesn't mean that your betters are doping also (Brad Barton). He's just more man than you'll ever be.

The usual ad hominem argument. Which is no argument. By those lights, sceptics of Flojo or Kratochvilova - neither of whom failed doping tests - are merely jealous dopers themselves. Come back when you are a little more informed.

pavlovaratti wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

His religion is irrelevant. For a variety of reasons, I questioned the validity of the performance. I am not the only one here who has done so. You aren't required to agree - just as I don't see it the way you do.

here you have it.

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Keep your day job, Luciano.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Simpsons Sears wrote:

It's like Armstronglivs doesn't know much about running.

I know enough to know that an 8.31 steeplechase doesn't presuppose much about the mile. It certainly doesn't establish that an 8.31 steeplechaser is capable of a 3.55 mile. That you are all anxious to do that suggests your own scepticism about a 4.05 miler (which is quite in the realm of an 8.31 steeplechase) running 4.19 for the mile at age 53. Or why would so many of you keep arguing this point?

Your statement shows how little you know about the steeple and middle distance performance. You seriously overestimate your track knowledge, and the fact that you feel compelled to cite your tennis skill just confirms your lack of substantive track knowledge. You do definitely have demonstrated a talent for useless verbosity though.

Armstronglvs is obviously a doper. It's blatantly obvious. Doped to the gills and still average.

no need to explain your ignorance wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I know enough to know that an 8.31 steeplechase doesn't presuppose much about the mile. It certainly doesn't establish that an 8.31 steeplechaser is capable of a 3.55 mile. That you are all anxious to do that suggests your own scepticism about a 4.05 miler (which is quite in the realm of an 8.31 steeplechase) running 4.19 for the mile at age 53. Or why would so many of you keep arguing this point?

Your statement shows how little you know about the steeple and middle distance performance. You seriously overestimate your track knowledge, and the fact that you feel compelled to cite your tennis skill just confirms your lack of substantive track knowledge. You do definitely have demonstrated a talent for useless verbosity though.

So back to the usual ad hominem attack, the standby for those who have no argument. No one can claim that an 8.31 steeplechase means an athlete would be capable of a 3.55 mile - unless they had already accomplished that. But that you and others are concerned to try to prove that a given steeplechase time means an even faster mile shows you don't really believe a 4.05 miler should run 4.19 at 53, when no 3.55 guy has ever done it.

YOU are doping wrote:

Armstronglvs is obviously a doper. It's blatantly obvious. Doped to the gills and still average.

So everybody opposed to doping must be a doper. Letsrun logic at it finest.

pavlovaratti wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

His religion is irrelevant. For a variety of reasons, I questioned the validity of the performance. I am not the only one here who has done so. You aren't required to agree - just as I don't see it the way you do.

here you have it.

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Isn't that a little childish? ?‍? I know you college kids are out of school and have a lot of time on your hands...but really.