Glad to hear the Kranicks didn’t tell them to stop . It was disrespectful to all the runners in the race and a real show off move . I wonder if she will try that in the acc this fall?
Glad to hear the Kranicks didn’t tell them to stop . It was disrespectful to all the runners in the race and a real show off move . I wonder if she will try that in the acc this fall?
Sounds like this will be the first and last year that this rule is on the books, at least in this form.
It’s a show off move? I don’t care about any of these teams or individuals, but the rules are set up so that you can help your teammate qualify and that’s what they did. You sound like you don’t like this team for some other reason.
Kelsey Chmiel has NEVER been a showoff. She had tried to lead her young team by setting an example in sportsmanship. You probably don’t watch the end of the races when she shakes every competitor’s hand. Which of course is easy to do when she wins but she also appears to have a great relationship with Katelyn Touhy as well. You can see them laughing and joking on the podium. She could have run the 1500 yesterday but easily chose to go all out in the 4x800 because she is a team player. She will do what is best for her team in the ACCs next year.
Old timer Section 9 now far away wrote:
I don’t care about any of these teams or individuals, but the rules are set up so that you can help your teammate qualify and that’s what they did.
I also don't care about any of these teams or individuals, but certainly the intention of these rules was not for these types of situations to arise where people are playing around in races.
In indoor the top 2 go and the 3rd goes if they have the standard. There have been many athletes over the years who have finished third to allow others to qualify.
DeMars had the AL standard just not the super standard and Wheeler was close. Chmiel and Kurto were going for 3-4 to allow both to go if DeMars wanted to double. Obviously they were hoping Wheeler would either win or get the standard. She had dropped her PR to 10:06 it wasn’t completely out of the question. As it worked out DeMars scratched the 3k so Wheeler could go. DeMars also ran well off her steeple PR where she had the super standard which allowed Tenney to go. Whether DeMars scratched the 3k for Wheeler and or tempo’d a steeple for Tenney I suppose only she knows. If she did I don’t think that is being a bad sport personally.
Interesting that you and HDH both misspell Chmiel’s name the same way.
At the same meet, Noah Tindale ran a 2:28 800 and still qualified, as he had the same standard. The next day, the officials were saying if these shenanigans kept occuring, they were going to start DQ’ing athletes. Some athletes with the super standard in the 3000m steeplechase even DNF’d so they could qualify but not get DQ’ed
If they want to keep the superstandard and avoid this sort of situation, New York could do one of two things that I can think of.
1) Institute an honest effort rule, where athletes who are deemed to be performing below their ability are disqualified.
2) They could choose to not require athletes who have already hit the superstandard to compete in the event at all and simply advance directly to the state meet.
Thoughts? Other ideas?
Ozzie wrote:
If they want to keep the superstandard and avoid this sort of situation, New York could do one of two things that I can think of.
1) Institute an honest effort rule, where athletes who are deemed to be performing below their ability are disqualified.
2) They could choose to not require athletes who have already hit the superstandard to compete in the event at all and simply advance directly to the state meet.
Thoughts? Other ideas?
They should do away with the Stuper Standard all together. You may have the qualifying standard for the Olympics but you still have to be top 3 at the trials to go. With this Stuper Standard, someone could actually be injured and make it. You should be forced to prove you are race ready at the qualifier. Period.
Dr Taboo wrote:
Ozzie wrote:
If they want to keep the superstandard and avoid this sort of situation, New York could do one of two things that I can think of.
1) Institute an honest effort rule, where athletes who are deemed to be performing below their ability are disqualified.
2) They could choose to not require athletes who have already hit the superstandard to compete in the event at all and simply advance directly to the state meet.
Thoughts? Other ideas?
They should do away with the Stuper Standard all together. You may have the qualifying standard for the Olympics but you still have to be top 3 at the trials to go. With this Stuper Standard, someone could actually be injured and make it. You should be forced to prove you are race ready at the qualifier. Period.
I can guarantee that stunt killed the superstandard . It sounded like a good idea but coaches doing this stuff makes the sport look terrible
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Glad to hear the Kranicks didn’t tell them to stop . It was disrespectful to all the runners in the race and a real show off move . I wonder if she will try that in the acc this fall?
Oh, do shutup, we'll all appreciate it.
Fjjjjfcxfgg wrote:
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Glad to hear the Kranicks didn’t tell them to stop . It was disrespectful to all the runners in the race and a real show off move . I wonder if she will try that in the acc this fall?
Oh, do shutup, we'll all appreciate it.
Sorry Mr Chmiel!!!
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Dr Taboo wrote:
They should do away with the Stuper Standard all together. You may have the qualifying standard for the Olympics but you still have to be top 3 at the trials to go. With this Stuper Standard, someone could actually be injured and make it. You should be forced to prove you are race ready at the qualifier. Period.
I can guarantee that stunt killed the superstandard . It sounded like a good idea but coaches doing this stuff makes the sport look terrible
I don't necessarily agree. I think the superstandard is a good idea as it allows a very competitive section to send more athletes. If the three top NY athletes in an event are from one section should only two advance to states? I think the superstandard ensures the highest possible competition at the championship meet. I also don't think this is a coach-issue. I think it is a pretty easy decision for an athlete if the situation is:
-I have run 9:30 in the 3000.
-My teammate has run 10:10
And your two options:
1. run fast and use lots of energy with potentially more races later
2. run slower and let a teammate/friend go to states as well.
This decision is a no-brainer, coach involved or not. This is why I think superstandard athletes should not have to race. I actually think they should eliminate the 2nd place standard and make the superstandard slower. Further encouragement to race fast and then winner-take all.
And worried about an athlete with the superstandard now being injured? Sure, it's possible but I'd rather take the rare injured athlete in a race where the best of the state get to race instead of the race where some are left home. Besides, there are already some very slow people from bad sections qualifying; the injured person could likely still beat them :)
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Fjjjjfcxfgg wrote:
Oh, do shutup, we'll all appreciate it.
Sorry Mr Chmiel!!!
LOL Kelsey is far from a show-off. I didn't know the hounddog was a toga hater! I generally like your insight but you're pretty far off on this one. I'm assuming you've never paid much attention to her if you think that she is a show-off. She was just hoping to get her teammate the opportunity to run at the NYS meet, most likely a season long goal for the young runner.
My daughter races the saratoga girls at local league meets throughout the season, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the runners and aren’t showboaty whatsoever. Chmile is a class act and simply wanted to qualify her teammate, her and kurto should be praised for their sportsmanship instead of being punished. They are two of the best runners in New York and don’t deserve to be patronized by you assholes.
Year's from now, these kids can tell their kids about the time they qualified for state because their teammates took a dive in the qualifying race. Ah the memories.
But your proposal doesn't actually do anything to help this situation if Chmiel and Kurto run the event trying to help Wheeler hit the time; then they wind up in this exact situation again.
saw some similar tactics from some teams at the section 1 qualifier tonight- while it may have helped some more great teams and individuals qualify, it did take away from the excitement of some of the races.
Niles wrote:
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Sorry Mr Chmiel!!!
LOL Kelsey is far from a show-off. I didn't know the hounddog was a toga hater! I generally like your insight but you're pretty far off on this one. I'm assuming you've never paid much attention to her if you think that she is a show-off. She was just hoping to get her teammate the opportunity to run at the NYS meet, most likely a season long goal for the young runner.
Maybe I’m old school, but this was probably the most classless move I’ve ever seen. Two runners are 10 seconds up on the field and then stop 50 yards from the finish line is about as low as it gets. If they just had to jog to go to States, why were they running out front? If they were pacing their teammate why did they surge with 1200 meters to go and break their teammate? And the argument that they wanted the Ballston Spa runner to go is a joke. Saratoga is so competitive they would put land mines on the track rather than let another school go to states. What they did was exactly what was planned.
The next day the sectional chairman called a coaches meeting and, without naming names , lectured about what a sleazy move it was. The icy on the cake was (to the best of my knowledge) the Kranicks skipped the meeting and the Saratoga coaches there ( who may have been the boys coaches) had big smirks on their faces.