Actual measurements in the past are FAR MORE accurate than GPS. In addition, we calibrated our odometer in Al Howie’s run (purely for comparison since it doesn’t change anything) on a measured stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway (provided by state specifically for this purpose).
Using GPS for running is exactly like the scorer in baseball who scores an error (or not). It gives information, it makes someone look good or bad, but it has never affected the actual result of an event.
jesseriley wrote:
Thanks, Markus, for mediating a bit.
IMO it’s one more reason that it’s hopeless talking solely about numbers. If you were reading Tron last year, they grew increasingly reluctant to say the names of towns or give non-GPS points of reference. They wouldn’t even admit they were falling behind Al’s progress (even after skipping half a day with the Nanaimo ferry). My original article mentioned an incident at a biker bar in McDonald, Saskatchewan involving cream-filled donuts (don’t ask!). Using the ACTUAL TOWN, we were able to show that their stupid numbers were giving Proctor credit for being on pace when he clearly was behind. In addition I pointed out that they had a whole day leaving Victoria, whereas as Al’s run ended midday. We can only hope they will bring someone this time who can read a map.
Like I've mentioned numerous times, I was not part of his team so stop referring to me as part of it.
All towns he went through were mentioned and shown through media and you saying they didn't is 100% false. No, GPS points of reference were used at all as no one could follow that. At the end of each day, he took a picture of where he was with a possible name (i.e., Lake Louise) and this was posted on either Twitter/facebook/strava. You're going off on things that you either didn't look up, know about or just lying about.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make most the time. Did you want an announcement saying they are behind pace? When he started taking days off due to injury of course he was but what does that matter? In the end, everyone here just wants you to cut the cheating accusations out of it. At least keep the discussion about things you know like strategy/pace, etc...
Ultramarkus: yeah, I agree Dave made a few rookie mistakes such as having too many charitable events when should be resting/ scheduling his daily distance to get to points of interest rather than a set distance like lets get to here (120 km vs just sticking to 100 a day). He seems to be in better shape this year as actually got himself a coach so interested how he'll do later this year in the 6 days and Backyard races
jesseriley wrote:
Actual measurements in the past are FAR MORE accurate than GPS. In addition, we calibrated our odometer in Al Howie’s run (purely for comparison since it doesn’t change anything) on a measured stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway (provided by state specifically for this purpose).
Using GPS for running is exactly like the scorer in baseball who scores an error (or not). It gives information, it makes someone look good or bad, but it has never affected the actual result of an event.
no one is saying GPS is 100% accurate, but if you think an odometer is "FAR MORE" accurate (even if you did try to calibrate) is funny. Company's only require an odometer to be accurate within 10% which is worse than most GPS
jesseriley wrote:
In addition, we calibrated our odometer in Al Howie’s run (purely for comparison since it doesn’t change anything) on a measured stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway (provided by state specifically for this purpose).
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NO you didn't calibrate a 1970's car odometer. The Al Howie run was undocumented , no GSP information.
Tron, you must have amnesia. There was never a second for intelligent discussion once Proctor was on the road.
I thought it was a publicity stunt or a stupid joke (yes & yes), but then we got this Superman BS, and I know better. So now we’re going to have free speech & lay our cards on the table. Its funny, that you think it’s such a horrible nightmare that your event is being covered in a way no one can control, including me. But such is the life of a public figure. Can’t say I enjoy the names I’m called, but I assure you it’s always been far worse than anything Proctor goes through.
Sure, I could wait for a rare Proctor appearance to comment, but of course I already did that last year. We must have wasted weeks just establishing my identity (and some never did believe), because you were too stupid to reprint my account of Al’s run so you would already know this.
Most people just enjoy the spectacle of such a run, they don’t want my comments from the peanut gallery, another good reason to have a separate thread. It is my intention to stick with this thread & not bother Proctor’s fans; ignorance is bliss in some cases & I have no problem with that.
We could limit this thread to aspects of Proctor’s run that you’re knowledgeable about, but so far I haven’t found any.
You people are adorable. A calibration can simply be a comparison with a known standard; I’m a caregiver, not a mechanic.
BTW no one I know buys a car based on the odometer (but you’re different!). You sell a lot more GPS devices if you lie to the customer and pad those distances, baby!
“Where is that Terry Fox Memorial? Our longitude says we’re halfway across Canada ??!” You can’t really be that green, can you?
jesseriley wrote:
Tron, you must have amnesia. There was never a second for intelligent discussion once Proctor was on the road.
I thought it was a publicity stunt or a stupid joke (yes & yes), but then we got this Superman BS, and I know better. So now we’re going to have free speech & lay our cards on the table. Its funny, that you think it’s such a horrible nightmare that your event is being covered in a way no one can control, including me. But such is the life of a public figure. Can’t say I enjoy the names I’m called, but I assure you it’s always been far worse than anything Proctor goes through.
Sure, I could wait for a rare Proctor appearance to comment, but of course I already did that last year. We must have wasted weeks just establishing my identity (and some never did believe), because you were too stupid to reprint my account of Al’s run so you would already know this.
Most people just enjoy the spectacle of such a run, they don’t want my comments from the peanut gallery, another good reason to have a separate thread. It is my intention to stick with this thread & not bother Proctor’s fans; ignorance is bliss in some cases & I have no problem with that.
We could limit this thread to aspects of Proctor’s run that you’re knowledgeable about, but so far I haven’t found any.
All I've done is provide facts while you ramble on random events that may or may not be related to the subject.
enjoy your thread.
The robot with no name...
An issue in last year’s event, that even Tron admitted he couldn’t explain, was the removal of heart-rate stats after Day1, which turned out to be Proctor’s best day by far. Perhaps a heartbeat is difficult to fake?
where is Al Howes heart rate data. did you guys fake that ?
We couldn’t, ha ha; it was too difficult to fake heart-rate data.
My concern here is that Proctor could don the Superman cape for one day and produce good figures, then intentionally avoid producing data that showed him going slower (which he did every other day after that).
HR data is notoriously lousy. It's hard to have accurate data with optical sensors on the wrist. As some who has tried many different chest straps over the years, they suck bad too. Mostly useless if wearing a tech shirt. Worse with a jacket on top if thst. Or they keep sliding down. Or they might work for a couple weeks (days on a trans con), then can no longer get reliable readings. Not worth the fustration for the typical runner anyway.
Let's just see what Dave Proctor can do at the Dome.
If he gets over 500 miles it will be a great result.
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jesseriley wrote:
Got it! Stopped time = “awhile!” With such precision, I can see why Proctor’s strategy seemed so random & surprising. Next, we should narrow it down to a long while, a short while, or a third while that is just right! It worked for Goldilocks. That was a fairytale, too!
You are like that kid that hates math and doesn't even try to understand. You skipped over my sentence that said:
"So if you download the GPX file from Strava, you can find out exactly how many, where, and when all the stops are."
Exactly how long the stops are is in that data. That is more precise than just "a while".
I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him...
The guy doesn't seem like he has the mental capability to understand something like GPS.. sad really.
Another issue was that Proctor officially quit right after receiving a $50,000 donation. If there was an incentive, for instance, to make it a certain distance/capital city before receiving donations, it would be a powerful temptation to cheat or prolong the event by taking drugs, etc. That’s my concern.
It certainly looked, by Regina, that it was no longer a real run, yet he straggled into Winnipeg well behind schedule. Simultaneously it seemed like Proctor had no interest in actually continuing to the finish.
Another concern were the repeated references to Kostelnick & claims that Proctor got his ideas from Kostelnick’s record run. Yet there was never the slightest similarity.
Kostelnick did 80-milers starting out, then one zero day, then 72 a day (because 80 was too much). A sane, basic analysis might begin with, “More than 72 is too much.” 72 would get the record as well, by days in fact. We’re also told Pete slept well, so if sleep was a problem (the only problem Proctor consistently cited), wouldn’t you back off from there?
Then Proctor does 88 miles, on a much longer record attempt; being significantly less talented at 24 hours; Kostelnick being on great form but Proctor shy of recent results or even appearances at races; less experience at multidays; etc etc. They kept referencing Kostelnick as their source of advice!
My concern is that Kostelnick’s success (certainly not foreseen by me or anyone; but since justified by what we know now) was simply used as an alibi for Proctor’s unlikely or fake numbers.
Kostelnick’s record is the official Guinness record now, I believe, and I believe Al’s is the official Guinness record across Canada ??. Yet I keep hearing “unverified.”
Guinness requires some paper records, yet I keep hearing (from Tron & other stupid people) that only GPS is verified. This is a lie.
11 years ago I consulted on a Guinness record run. GPS was well established, cell phone coverage was excellent.
But they still REQUIRED a written log.
Tron, you’re officially talking out of your @ss, all the records I submitted to David Blaikie/Ultramarathon Canada were & are accepted by Guinness. V-E-R-I-F-I-E-D. Proctor = unverified. Sorry, trolls.
Last year, we “record-breaking 108-km daily runs” were noted by the poster Er... As stated, this is a lie, because it’s not a record until complete. I hope Dave will remember to use the qualifier “record attempt.” The record is Al’s full stop, and will be until broken.
I still believe Dave is capable of breaking Al’s record, but it may be far in the future, and I will repeat that once started, it’s best to finish; at least complete about six weeks (studies conducted during Trans Am show a strong adjustment by this time).