Is there a video of the race anywhere?
HERE, starts à 5:14:00
https://www.facebook.com/athleticsweekly/videos/376112846332106/
She was wearing trainers to race a mile so either she wasn’t feeling 100% or she thought it was going to be easier to win.
This is one of those higher profile uk races (because on public holiday weekend and mass participation races) that I’m sure Laura is in some ways contractually obliged to run no matter where fits in grand scheme of things.
I suspect trained right through this and I’d probs still have expected her to win but athlete she lost to is a European medalist.
Doesn’t change my view of what she can do this summer.
It says in the article that Muir had just returned from altitude training the day before. This road mile is irrelevant for what Muir will be able to run later this season. And while the win is great for Courtney, it seems also premature to think that a 4:30 road mile in May should necessarily announce a large improvement for an athlete with track PBs of 4:03/4:23.
Muir is in the lists for 1500m in both Stockholm on thursday (where she is by some margin the fastest of the field) and Rome a week later which will be more interesting.
What I like about Muir, apart from her gutsy running, is that she nearly dies after the race and is often flat out on the deck after her wins. That doesn't smack of an EPO runner to me, unlike those who show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race.
"Aren't you exhausted winning such a big race?"
"Not really."
Armstronglivs wrote:
What I like about Muir, apart from her gutsy running, is that she nearly dies after the race and is often flat out on the deck after her wins. That doesn't smack of an EPO runner to me, unlike those who show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race.
What? Stephen Roche famously rode himself into oblivion at the La Plagne finish in the 1987 Tour de France. People on EPO can have tremendous fatique at the end of races:
https://youtu.be/sQojh-wqL04Might have been blood doping rather than EPO at that point in '87, but same effect.
zzzz wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
What I like about Muir, apart from her gutsy running, is that she nearly dies after the race and is often flat out on the deck after her wins. That doesn't smack of an EPO runner to me, unlike those who show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race.
What? Stephen Roche famously rode himself into oblivion at the La Plagne finish in the 1987 Tour de France. People on EPO can have tremendous fatique at the end of races:
https://youtu.be/sQojh-wqL04
Much less typical now. Many simply walk from the finishing line as though they've been for a Sunday stroll. That I find less believable.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Much less typical now. Many simply walk from the finishing line as though they've been for a Sunday stroll. That I find less believable.
Watch any mountain top finish in the Tour de France during the no-EPO testing '90s, early '2000s. You'll see a fresh doper winning, but also a field full of confirmed dopers suffering really badly.
See Ullrich suffering behind Pantani for example:
https://youtu.be/h2FQqHF8x5Izzzz wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Much less typical now. Many simply walk from the finishing line as though they've been for a Sunday stroll. That I find less believable.
Watch any mountain top finish in the Tour de France during the no-EPO testing '90s, early '2000s. You'll see a fresh doper winning, but also a field full of confirmed dopers suffering really badly.
See Ullrich suffering behind Pantani for example:
https://youtu.be/h2FQqHF8x5I
I don't care to watch cycling now. But in plenty of other sports, including running, I have seen the increase of apparently tireless athletes. Even when pushed to the limit their recovery is unbelievable. And it is.
Armstronglivs wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Watch any mountain top finish in the Tour de France during the no-EPO testing '90s, early '2000s. You'll see a fresh doper winning, but also a field full of confirmed dopers suffering really badly.
See Ullrich suffering behind Pantani for example:
https://youtu.be/h2FQqHF8x5II don't care to watch cycling now. But in plenty of other sports, including running, I have seen the increase of apparently tireless athletes. Even when pushed to the limit their recovery is unbelievable. And it is.
You are so annoying...
My personal experience is that in my best performances, I feel great, inspired and can push to the limit looking strong. My bad performances, I push hard too, and look like I am suffering terribly (and I am), but look much worse. My entire high school career was the second (bad coaching/overtrained), won me the coach's award the two years that I ran in HS, probably for looking so gutsy/Zatopek-y/Kawauchi suffering tough. But in my best shape, I looked very good going to the limit.
MuirPegasusTurbo wrote:
HERE, starts à 5:14:00
https://www.facebook.com/athleticsweekly/videos/376112846332106/
Thanks- I like that race. A mass participation 1 mile road race with serious races.
Armstronglivs wrote:
What I like about Muir, apart from her gutsy running, is that she nearly dies after the race and is often flat out on the deck after her wins. That doesn't smack of an EPO runner to me, unlike those who show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race.
It's called acting
TheOscarforbestactressgoesto... wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
What I like about Muir, apart from her gutsy running, is that she nearly dies after the race and is often flat out on the deck after her wins. That doesn't smack of an EPO runner to me, unlike those who show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race.
It's called acting
Not Laura...she's toast after every race and you'll see her grimace in pain when the pace gets cranked up with two to go. I'm seeing a runner straining badly at full gas - she leaves everything out on the track. Like "Armstrong livs" states some of these runners show absolutely no signs of fatigue at the end of a race, especially after a hard pace. Since they're all top level elites there shouldn't be that much difference in physiological attributes. To get to the world-class level they're all going to have very similar VO2max's, LT thresholds, max HRs, etc.
It's aways been the case that some runners look like they are suffering more than others. Zatopek and Kawauchi I've mentioned. Other great runners look great - Billy Mills, Jim Ryun, Wottle.
zzzz wrote:
It's aways been the case that some runners look like they are suffering more than others. Zatopek and Kawauchi I've mentioned. Other great runners look great - Billy Mills, Jim Ryun, Wottle.
Jim didn't look so good at Mexico City. He thought he was going to die out there. Unlike Keino ...
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