Transgender woman CeCe Telfer currently sits at #2 in NCAA D2 100 hurdles - Watch her DOMINATE here (video)

Does D2 need hormones? Thought there was a weird rule for them. Also how was telfair on a men's NCAA squad in the first place? Was he on money? If I knew I could run D2 by dropping a 55 in the 400 I wouldn't have bothered working hard for my 49

aoxomoxoa wrote:

Galatians 6:7-9 wrote:

Galatians 6:7-9

God knows best.

GTFO with this stupid Jesus religion sh*t.

Ah, the tolerant free thinker. Keep ripping on religion. Some of the nastiest, most hateful jerks I've met have been anti theists like yourself.

Enjoy yanking your crank with your internet buddies and making priest rapist jokes. Doesn't change the fact that a man is choosing to compete as a woman.

rojo wrote:

So what I'm confused about is why if she's on hormones her times this year aren't any slower than what she ran as a man.

Below you will see a comparison of her PBs as a man and woman.

Man Woman

55 7.01 7.02

60 7.67 7.63

100 12.17 (-1.2) 12.24 (0.6)

200 24.03 24.30 (-3.9)

400 55.77 54.41

55H 7.98 7.91

60H 8.52 8.33

Can someone explain this? Is she just way more motivated as she can now clean up or is something amiss with the hormone treatment? Normally there is a giant drop in performance.

How do her fellow competitors feel about the competition?

I mean it's kind of laughable right. Last year, she was a very poor athlete on the men's team. Now she's #2 on the NCAA on the women's team.

Perhaps some men who are transitioning need higher levels of hormones than others to achieve the same feminising effects. As far as I understand, it was HRT - hormone replacement tablets - that were found in the baggage of the women's 800m runners who are now subject to the new rule, during the activation of the previous rule. HRT delivers a tiny dose of female hormones, much less than the average women of full fertility produces naturally. Its really just enough to stave off the negative effects of the menopause but not to produce optimum hormone levels for fertility.

Perhaps transgender athletes taking hormones are less adversely affected by the hormones in the explosive short sprint events and require higher level of hormones to take away their advantage.

Perhaps the guy isn't taking the hormones at all, or incorrectly or intermittently.

Perhaps dosing him with HRT worked out at the average weight of a woman isn't effective enough in a tall muscular man.

I think its quite clear from his appearance that you can see that the feminising effect of whatever hormones he is supposed to have been taking isn't visually apparent at all.

jeff tallon wrote:

i get that cece identifies as female,but i cant imagine her competitors would like being beaten so easily.still,shes a great hurdler.great,effortless technique.kinda strange that caster semenya,and some others have to supress their testosterone,when born male athletes are coming up through the rankings,and winning races.we dont know for a fact that semenya,niyonsaba,wambui and others are xy ,unlike cece,and the delaware state high school 100 meter champion.

Why on earth people like you feel qualified to comment on the Semenya debacle when they haven't, even after all this time, bothered to educate themselves on the matter, is a complete mystery to me.

The OP Rojo has posted at length about Caster's XY status. The CAS ruling specifically said that ONLY 46 DSD XY athletes were affected by its judgement and still, even LetsRun regulars like you stumble into threads burbling that there's no evidence she's not XX etc.

No wonder the general public and The Press are so misinformed, when even those who supposedly closely follow the sport are so ignorant on the most fundamental aspects of the topic.

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Star wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Telfer just needs to see a Psychologist.

That is a very bigoted comment.

You are saying that this person should not identify as a woman and has mental problems.

That said, Telfer should not compete against women because of the physical advantage that no woman can compete with.

Separate the mental and the physical.

I think you will find a lot of otherwise-tolerant people see it this way.

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I am a man, if I walk in to a room full of people and jump up on a table and say I am a monkey I would be carried away as crazy. If I walk into a room and say I am a woman I am ok? No, in both cases I am would be crazy, born a man, then a man I am.

CeCe needs a psychologist.

Perhaps someone born XY shouldn't be competing against XX athletes.

So many possibilities.

Has it occurred to you Rojo that maybe, just MAYBE CeCe didn’t traisntion for track purposes and actually transitioned to a female long before knowing that it was possible to also do so (per ncaa) on the track? Would explain the consistency in times.

Skin the cat wrote:

Has it occurred to you Rojo that maybe, just MAYBE CeCe didn’t traisntion for track purposes and actually transitioned to a female long before knowing that it was possible to also do so (per ncaa) on the track? Would explain the consistency in times.

If he transitioned a long time ago why did he only change his name last year?

I compete in the NE-10 conference with her. I’m a guy, but watching the level at which she competes is entirely unfair. I’m glad this was brought up because there are so many Semenya parallels that can be drawn to this it isn’t even funny. In indoor conferences I believe she won 3/3 sprint finals she entered and also scored in relays and high jump, she’s taking away points from deserving WOMEN and stealing a spotlight she doesn’t deserve. She, like semenya, is very muscular and defined which is obviously for power must provide some advantage, and she’s continued to improve from last year. At the outdoor conference meet this year I felt particularly bad as CeCe took away an athlete of the meet award from a deserving woman who completed the 1500, 5k, and steeple triple in dominant fashion. I’m not sure what the specific rules are for d2 but clearly she’s allowed to compete and she catapulted from a noncompetitive male to a female all American prospect.

rojo wrote:

So what I'm confused about is why if she's on hormones her times this year aren't any slower than what she ran as a man.

Below you will see a comparison of her PBs as a man and woman.

Man Woman

55 7.01 7.02

60 7.67 7.63

100 12.17 (-1.2) 12.24 (0.6)

200 24.03 24.30 (-3.9)

400 55.77 54.41

55H 7.98 7.91

60H 8.52 8.33

Isn't it expected that student athletes improved throughout their career. Isn't is possible that an additional year of maturation and training are offsetting the decline expected from hormonal changes?

Hear hear. Its likely that the improved technique and year of training has improved her times (relatively, so they appear close to before). Don't forget the mental aspect - it also may be that by finally living her true life she has less mental stress that has lead to improved times.

Please stop with the transphobic comments. If Cece is following the rules outlined by the NCAA, then she has every right to compete at the collegiate level. I applaud her for having the courage to race, in the face of treatment by people like some of the posters on this forum.

getting men to run seems to be about the only way to get rojo to pay attenton to women's NCAA track.

Men running womens's hurdles, good white high school sprinters and Grant Fisher are all front page news, actual coverage of womens NCAA track?....have to wait until about 2 days before finals.

We have historic numbers of high performers in women's distance NCAA track right now and but again no coverage of those story lines until the season is 90% over.

and screw flo track as well $29.99 for $2 product....shameful.

call a spade a spade wrote:

I am a man, if I walk in to a room full of people and jump up on a table and say I am a monkey I would be carried away as crazy. If I walk into a room and say I am a woman I am ok? No, in both cases I am would be crazy, born a man, then a man I am.

CeCe needs a psychologist.

Thank you for having common sense. It seems to be lacking these days.

These liberals are tearing our country apart.

I identify as a billionaire. For some reason, banks are being allowed to discriminate against me and aren't giving me the money I ask for.

THIS MUST STOP!

Her hurdle times getting better is easily explained. She did mens hurdle heights last year and womens hurdle heights this year.

ytsdlyr wrote:

Her hurdle times getting better is easily explained. She did mens hurdle heights last year and womens hurdle heights this year.

Why'd she do men's hurdles last year? hmmm.....

Star wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Telfer just needs to see a Psychologist.

That is a very bigoted comment.

You are saying that this person should not identify as a woman and has mental problems.

Deal with it.

If a big muscular man grows his hair out and announces he is a woman, that does not make it so.

If he believes he should compete with women in competitions of athleticism or combat, this is indicative of mental problems.

Couldn't give AF whether that's "bigoted." It's the truth.

Clown World Resident wrote:

Star wrote:

That is a very bigoted comment.

You are saying that this person should not identify as a woman and has mental problems.

Deal with it.

If a big muscular man grows his hair out and announces he is a woman, that does not make it so.

If he believes he should compete with women in competitions of athleticism or combat, this is indicative of mental problems.

Couldn't give AF whether that's "bigoted." It's the truth.

AMEN