I know the government is not allowed to study gun violence (per NRA pushed legislation). But the gun you buy to protect your family, what are the odds that it will protect them compared to the odds that one of them will be harmed by that gun?
I know the government is not allowed to study gun violence (per NRA pushed legislation). But the gun you buy to protect your family, what are the odds that it will protect them compared to the odds that one of them will be harmed by that gun?
Statistically speaking, you are more likely to have a gun used on you if you have a gun in your house. Surprise.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/
theres about 30000 deaths from guns in the US an annually and about half of those are suicides. theres an estimated 3 million lives saved annually with a gun.
gayalienshrek123 wrote:
theres an estimated 3 million lives saved annually with a gun.
Estimated by who?
whom says the owl wrote:
gayalienshrek123 wrote:
theres an estimated 3 million lives saved annually with a gun.
Estimated by who?
By gay alien Shrek, of course.
For people not living in war zones or third world countries with major drug trafficking and gang violence—guns ALWAYS make you less safe. This is true in the US. Only wanna be Rambo-types who back in to parking spaces in their F-150s (in case they need to make a quick get away...because they are super important so everyone is after them) believe guns make them safe.
A gun is no more dangerous to you or your family than your lawnmower, as long as you follow these basic rules:
1) when not in use, keep it locked up in a gun safe where you have the only key or combination, which you keep on your person or in your wallet at all times.
2) store your gun unloaded, and your magazines empty of rounds. I store them in separate locked safes.
3) teach your family members the fundamentals of gun safety and not playing with guns, even toy or BB guns. Also impress upon them that they are not to tell anyone else that you have a gun or where it is stored
4) do not clean your gun in the house with your kids around
5) if you’re outside the home with your gun, say in a car, do not become more aggressive because you are carrying. De-escalate any confrontation, and do not drink while you are carrying.
Obviously if someone kicks in my door in a home invasion scenario, I am not going to be able to quickly respond, but the likelihood of that occurring in the suburbs is virtually nonexistent unless you are known to have large quantities of drugs in the house. I would gladly trade that off for the safety benefits.
A great many of us grew up with guns in the house because our fathers brought them home from WWII or Korea, and/or because they were hunters, with no negative effects. Almost every so-called “accidental” death you read about from guns in households is because one of the above rules wasn’t followed.
I'm sure there are 3 million more people alive in the US today that had their life saved with a gun last year.
None of what you wrote refutes the fact that a gun is more likely to endanger a person than protect them.
Po Po wrote:
Obviously if someone kicks in my door in a home invasion scenario, I am not going to be able to quickly respond, but the likelihood of that occurring in the suburbs is virtually nonexistent unless you are known to have large quantities of drugs in the house. I would gladly trade that off for the safety benefits.
Then why do you need the gun in the house? Why not lock it up somewhere else?
Po Po wrote:[/]
A great many of us grew up with guns in the house because our fathers brought them home from WWII or Korea, and/or because they were hunters, with no negative effects. Almost every so-called “accidental” death you read about from guns in households is because one of the above rules wasn’t followed.
Oh yeah, all those vets coming home with guns surely has no connection to the high rates of gun violence/suicide experienced by vets and their families.
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I know the government is not allowed to study gun violence (per NRA pushed legislation). But the gun you buy to protect your family, what are the odds that it will protect them compared to the odds that one of them will be harmed by that gun?
Exclusive: Things Nearby With the Potential to Cause Negative Outcomes May Indeed Cause Negative Outcomes if Mis-used.
www.reddit.com/r/dgusafety benefits wrote:
Po Po wrote:
Obviously if someone kicks in my door in a home invasion scenario, I am not going to be able to quickly respond, but the likelihood of that occurring in the suburbs is virtually nonexistent unless you are known to have large quantities of drugs in the house. I would gladly trade that off for the safety benefits.
Then why do you need the gun in the house? Why not lock it up somewhere else?
That's a BINGO!
Essentially what you are saying is that as long as a gun is not used to kill someone then the gun will not be used to kill someone. Brilliant!
Breaking News wrote:
Exclusive: Things Nearby With the Potential to Cause Negative Outcomes May Indeed Cause Negative Outcomes if Mis-used.
You are less likely to defend yourself successfully with a firearm than you are to have it misused against you or someone you care about. It's a simple calculus.
what did it cost? wrote:
Breaking News wrote:
Exclusive: Things Nearby With the Potential to Cause Negative Outcomes May Indeed Cause Negative Outcomes if Mis-used.
You are less likely to defend yourself successfully with a firearm than you are to have it misused against you or someone you care about. It's a simple calculus.
It's not that clear cut. Defensive uses of firearms are very difficult to study.
FWIW, I'm not a gun guy, but I did for a time have a need for one. I won't go into details here, but I will say that I was one of a handful of people in a very large metro area who was given a "may issue" CCP by the chief of police. After the threat was gone, I got rid of the thing.
gayalienshrek123 wrote:
theres about 30000 deaths from guns in the US an annually and about half of those are suicides. theres an estimated 3 million lives saved annually with a gun.
Did it ever occur to you that lying, even on a message board, is wrong.
800 dude wrote:
It's not that clear cut. Defensive uses of firearms are very difficult to study.
FWIW, I'm not a gun guy, but I did for a time have a need for one. I won't go into details here, but I will say that I was one of a handful of people in a very large metro area who was given a "may issue" CCP by the chief of police. After the threat was gone, I got rid of the thing.
Many people have a need for one, and guns have definitely saved lives before. I'm not saying they should be illegal. But for most people, the risk:reward ratio associated with owning a gun tips in favor of risk. Unless you are trained to use a gun (e.g. LEO, military, dedicated hobbyist) who lives in a dangerous area and is willing to spend thousands on a proper safe, you're better off with an automated security system.
Of course, we can argue all day, but neither of us will change our minds.
what did it cost? wrote:
Breaking News wrote:
Exclusive: Things Nearby With the Potential to Cause Negative Outcomes May Indeed Cause Negative Outcomes if Mis-used.
You are less likely to defend yourself successfully with a firearm than you are to have it misused against you or someone you care about. It's a simple calculus.
The stakes in terms of having an option in an emergency versus the probability of needing it coupled with training and proper safety is the calculus that matters to me.
Oh, you’re right though, I’m certainly less likely to use it for self defense if I don’t have it. Seeing as how I can almost certainly control how my weapon will be used does shift the “statistical” risk you have placed so much emphasis on. I tend not to concern myself with other peoples’ risk factors or behavior, their choices or the situations they find themselves in.
Law enforcement is difficult work. We can always count on these vaunted individuals to respond promptly when needed and to always intervene on our behalf upon arrival... Even the Supreme Court has rules that officers must put their safety ahead of public safety...
Here’s to hoping neither of us ever need a weapon in a crisis, brother.
If I have an unloaded gun in a safe in one part of the house, and ammo in a same in another part of the house, how does this protect me in the event of a home instrusion? Will the intruder wait for me while I gather my gun and ammo?
I'll bank on my dogs, thanks.