Game of Thrones Season 8 is the worst piece of crap ever written

for me the greatest example of the dimming down of Tyrion is his grand "ring the bells" plan.

there were basically 2 likely outcomes from this plan:

A. Jaime goes along with it and the bells are rung

B. Jaime betrays him and bells are rung as a trap

no master strategist would ever leave themselves in that kind of position.

either way, bells are rung and he has no idea whether or not it's a trap that will lead to his allies being slaughtered and his side losing. He's leaving his side completely blind.

Also, did I miss something? The bell ringing plan went from something whispered between Tyrion and Jaime and then by some miracle of Twitter every pleb in King's Landing knows the plan?

"Ring the Bells! Ring the Bells!".....how the hell did everyone suddenly know the secret plan?

I think by that point the show runners were probably like "Who cares, that's like the 12th biggest problem with this episode, no one will notice..."

Medieval ICBM wrote:

Rhaegal's death was ridiculous he was sniped from behind a mountain by ballista on moving ships far beyond their effective range. Roman ballista had a maximum range of around 500 yards, but effective combat range for many targets was far shorter. Try hitting a moving target at significant elevation on a bobbing ship not once but 3 times in a row. Then all of a sudden they can't even scratch Drogon who was closer and is a larger target. Such plot armor! I realize there is magic etc but some semblance of reality would be nice. They could have conceived a dozen believable scenarios but were super lazy. That to me sums up part of why season 8 has fallen short of expectations the other half being poor story telling.

The other thing about that is that Dany flees that fleet the first time in fear, then 2 episodes later completely destroys that entire fleet it in 3 seconds without even flinching.

Knowing Dany's character now, if there was ever a time she was going to act out of anger and attack w/o fear it would have been out of rage right after Rhaegal was killed. But instead, she turns tail and runs in fear...then when she meets the fleet again she's like "oh look ships...lets burn them all on my way to destroying an entire city by myself."

And don't give the surprise attack BS excuse...she could have flown around that fleet in 20 seconds and attacked them from behind the first time rather than running. Sailing ships don't exactly turn on a dime.

why did she even need an army and allies all this time anyway? she devastated an entire fleet, army, castle and city single-handedly in about 15 minutes. Pretty much rendered the last 7 years of army building irrelevant.

The best plot development would be if the writers are brought on to the set for the final scene and the characters all call out, "dracarys!"

Ringing of the bells is obviously a KL or Westeros way of a city surrendering.

Also Tyrion is a horrible strategist. He’s made mistake after mistake. The guy who drinks and knows things apparently knows little.

I think many of you are waaaaaaay too invested. You’re not a writer. You’re not some author. Keep your self righteousness to yourself and enjoy the show. I have a group 3-4 guys and we talk about the show on Monday and all enjoy it. Obviously it should have been another episode or two longer but other than that it’s fine.

Go read some Tolkien.

Alan

I wouldn't watch this crap. I want to watch Better Call Saul. I've missed so much but it is way better than Game of Thrones which is really for 13 year old girls or adults trying to be hip and cool so they have something to talk about to Daisy by the water cooler in the office Cliff from accounting.

So it's a requirement to enjoy the show, because we aren't writers. It isn't written for writers but for us. You and your buddies might enjoy it but that's because your taste is questionable. Cheers.

Banana Bread wrote:

I wouldn't watch this crap. I want to watch Better Call Saul. I've missed so much but it is way better than Game of Thrones which is really for 13 year old girls or adults trying to be hip and cool so they have something to talk about to Daisy by the water cooler in the office Cliff from accounting.

Both Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad were cool.

Alan

you should also not have an opinion about politics if you are not a politician.

semenyagoat wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Ringing of the bells is obviously a KL or Westeros way of a city surrendering.

Also Tyrion is a horrible strategist. He’s made mistake after mistake. The guy who drinks and knows things apparently knows little.

I think many of you are waaaaaaay too invested. You’re not a writer. You’re not some author. Keep your self righteousness to yourself and enjoy the show. I have a group 3-4 guys and we talk about the show on Monday and all enjoy it. Obviously it should have been another episode or two longer but other than that it’s fine.

Go read some Tolkien.

Alan

you should also not have an opinion about politics if you are not a politician.

I see your point. However, a TV show doesn’t affect me at such a deep level.

I never understood why people get so worked up over a TV show. Just don’t watch it or write a better one.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

semenyagoat wrote:

you should also not have an opinion about politics if you are not a politician.

I see your point. However, a TV show doesn’t affect me at such a deep level.

I never understood why people get so worked up over a TV show. Just don’t watch it or write a better one.

Alan

Not really getting worked up. I was just sharing that I think the quality is going down in terms of writing. Obviously some people will get worked up because they are missing a type of quality they had loved with the show but for me some movie or tv series is not enough to be bothered that much. But In fact people talk about more meaningless things all the time to do some small talk so I dont think discussing this series would be so outlandish as you are trying to paint it

This is stupid:

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

So how should the season have been done? What’s the alternative? I think too often well read people want actual authors to write TV shows. Well that’s not how it works. I bet 99% of those signing the petition have read the books. I haven’t. I don’t care to. Most people I talk with are fine with this season. If GRRM had his way this series would take 15 seasons, but be cancelled by 10.

It’s really not that important to my life. It’s entertainment.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

semenyagoat wrote:

you should also not have an opinion about politics if you are not a politician.

I see your point. However, a TV show doesn’t affect me at such a deep level.

I never understood why people get so worked up over a TV show. Just don’t watch it or write a better one.

Alan

It's not just a TV show, it's time and energy people have invested in watching and reading the books. Fans help create the universe. I don't watch GoT, but I'm a huge LoTR fan. If someone made a sh!tty TV series about it (which Amazon is doing and which everyone now fears will be awful) then you bet your @ss I'll be railing against it as an affront to the literature and spirit and LoTR.

People are allowed to have opinions and lazy writing is lazy writing.

Runningart2004 wrote:

It’s really not that important to my life.

Alan

He said, after his 30th post on the matter

semenyagoat wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I see your point. However, a TV show doesn’t affect me at such a deep level.

I never understood why people get so worked up over a TV show. Just don’t watch it or write a better one.

Alan

Not really getting worked up. I was just sharing that I think the quality is going down in terms of writing. Obviously some people will get worked up because they are missing a type of quality they had loved with the show but for me some movie or tv series is not enough to be bothered that much. But In fact people talk about more meaningless things all the time to do some small talk so I dont think discussing this series would be so outlandish as you are trying to paint it

You’re right in that the writing has gone downhill. That’s mostly due to GRRMs inability to finish the stupid books. The books add nuance and detail. The writers are left trying to get from point A to B to C without GRRMs road map.

I think the Night King was a horrible idea with how they ended him. He’s a show only character and I get that all along he was going to be used as a spin-off. I think Arya killing him was a bad idea. It was a swerve that didn’t make any sense. But that’s this shows m.o.

Alan

GRRM isn't finishing the books.

Before the series, he might have gotten noticed at a comic book convention. Now he's got 20 something year old girls asking to sit on his lap to pose for selfies. He sleeps on a pile of HBO money every night. He's going to enjoy the rest of his life.

When he dies his publisher will hire some other fantasy novelist to finish the book series.

I've only read the first book, but I've been told by people who have read all of them that the fourth and fifth books were not as good as the first three. That's why the show started going downhill from there.

Yeah i also dont think He will finish the books. Its already way too long. He has no idea how to keep the story going himself. Its a bit like the wheel of times series. Also needed another writer to do it

If all it took was for Arya to walk up to the Night King undetected, through masses of white walkers, to stab him from behind, there would have been no need for the battle of Winterfell. A bit like solving the problem of Waterloo by having a single English soldier make his way through the French ranks unobserved to dispatch Napoleon. Not so much a bananas idea as a writer having no idea how to solve a problem in the plot. Swerves in the story-line are one thing but this is whip-lash.

RunningArt, you've posted on this thread more than anyone.....why does it bother you that people notice and comment on how bad the writing on the show has gotten? You've already admitted that you prefer CliffsNotes to reading actual books, so obviously, you don't really care all that much about the quality of writing and aren't really very qualified to weigh in on the discussion, but why care so much that other people do?

It's a bit like a color blind person talking the most in a discussion on the colors of the rainbow. Ok, we get it....you can't really see all the colors in the rainbow....an you mostly hang out with people who can't see them either. Seeing just two colors in the rainbow works just fine for you and your buddies. Maybe don't spend so much energy telling the people who can see color that they are wrong though.

Just because you aren't noticing huge plot holes, horribly inconsistent characterization and terrible plot-logic in the show doesn't mean they doesn't exist. You've already admitted you don't even really read books, so this is probably not your realm. But maybe you shouldn't get so bent out of shape because other people do.

If you want to defend the writing, go for it, but simply saying "just enjoy it" is pointless. In fact it is more pointless than critiquing the season on letsrun.