Watching a beloved show fall from greatness to complete cliched crap in 8 seasons is so sad.
The show runners were always gonna get crap about how the show ended. Frankly, I dont care how it ends but I do care about the motivations and pacing and writing to get there. All have been terrible.
It is really really bad. It's rushed, and they have characters doing stuff just to move the plot along, and then they are just leaving big holes and plot points totally untouched. It's a dang mess.
EZ10Miler wrote:
It is really really bad. It's rushed, and they have characters doing stuff just to move the plot along, and then they are just leaving big holes and plot points totally untouched. It's a dang mess.
What bugs me even more is when folks tell me oh you just dont get it or youre being mad cause you dont like thier decisions.
I dont mind any final decision they make, its the overal quality of writing and laziness I cant stand. I hate when people say Im just being a hater. no its cause it actually sucks. Same thing happened with The Last Jedi.
Subverting expectations? GOT was already a show that subverted expectations. By subverting those expectations the writers have created a double negative that has resulted in standard cliche LOL.
This is True wrote:
EZ10Miler wrote:
It is really really bad. It's rushed, and they have characters doing stuff just to move the plot along, and then they are just leaving big holes and plot points totally untouched. It's a dang mess.
What bugs me even more is when folks tell me oh you just dont get it or youre being mad cause you dont like thier decisions.
I dont mind any final decision they make, its the overal quality of writing and laziness I cant stand. I hate when people say Im just being a hater. no its cause it actually sucks. Same thing happened with The Last Jedi.
Subverting expectations? GOT was already a show that subverted expectations. By subverting those expectations the writers have created a double negative that has resulted in standard cliche LOL.
What made earlier GoT great is that even though it was high action, it was always at its heart character driven. The plot followed the characters, not the other way around. They've just really lost sight of this core aspect of the show as they've tried to move the plot along to wrap things up.
The seasons before that already were getting much worse. I dont see how 7 was better than 8 for example. Hollywood writers are just not that good and for most people its enough to have good visuals and some action. I mean there is a reason the marvel universe is so successful.
Yes, GoT sucks unless you have the mind of an 8-10-year-old boy.
The plot itself is fine, I just miss how fine Dany was in earlier seasons.
semenyagoat wrote:
The seasons before that already were getting much worse. I dont see how 7 was better than 8 for example. Hollywood writers are just not that good and for most people its enough to have good visuals and some action. I mean there is a reason the marvel universe is so successful.
Yes, the the early seasons felt like you were watching a movie, the past few felt like a TV drama. The writing is trite and shallow done for shock effect, not to a great plot point.
They go from trying to avoid "fan service" to trying to get those "OMG" moments that feel forced and done for shock value alone. They are the dog chasing it's tail.
UJoh wrote:
Watching a beloved show fall from greatness to complete cliched crap in 8 seasons is so sad.
The show runners were always gonna get crap about how the show ended. Frankly, I dont care how it ends but I do care about the motivations and pacing and writing to get there. All have been terrible.
Ummm... Ever read Greg’s “tv pilot”
Did you watch Lost? The last half of the last season was hands down the worst piece of writing ever created. GoT has nothing on that show.
I feel it's been rushed ever since the TV show went beyond the published books. The show writers have had to make more stuff up as they only received general brushstrokes from GRRM on how he envisioned the stories ending. I think what happened in Episode 5 is something that GRRM envisioned and told the show writers, but in the books, you can have more access to the character's mental states so the action doesn't seem quite as far stretched/out of the blue that it appears on the screen. As for how the battle in Episode 3 concluded, I think that will be different in the books with a different character playing the pivotal role.
They seem to want to turn this into an Arya superhero movie and that should not be the entire focus of GoT.
grrrl power and all that too, just very contrived since they passed the books.
Rushed?
Didn't they take two years to write 8 episodes?
Star wrote:
Rushed?
Didn't they take two years to write 8 episodes?
Whether or not the plot is rushed really has nothing to do with how long they took to write it.
I actually did watch LOST but skipped the entire last season. A couple of younger relatives who'd liked it as much as I did couldn't believe I'd do that, but it had "lost it" by then and the degeneration during the final season (which everyone complained about) was pretty easy to forecast.
character driven wrote:
What made earlier GoT great is that even though it was high action, it was always at its heart character driven. The plot followed the characters, not the other way around. They've just really lost sight of this core aspect of the show as they've tried to move the plot along to wrap things up.
^^This^^ is spot on.
The only thing that is missing in this comment is to excuse the screen writers on this front as once they got past the source material, the only thing they really had to go on were the plot lines.
GRRM does an amazing job in the books of giving the reader a full fledged understanding of the thoughts, motivations, fears, etc. of the characters. Benioff and Weiss (and the actors) do a great job of translating that to the screen. Once the GRRM source material was gone, Benioff and Weiss only knew the plot lines of where the story was ultimately heading, but not the internal make up of the characters, the clever plotting and scheming, etc.
So, while it doesn't excuse them completely, I see the cause of the poorer writing in the last few seasons.
C/M Runner wrote:
I feel it's been rushed ever since the TV show went beyond the published books. The show writers have had to make more stuff up as they only received general brushstrokes from GRRM on how he envisioned the stories ending. I think what happened in Episode 5 is something that GRRM envisioned and told the show writers, but in the books, you can have more access to the character's mental states so the action doesn't seem quite as far stretched/out of the blue that it appears on the screen. As for how the battle in Episode 3 concluded, I think that will be different in the books with a different character playing the pivotal role.
I agree, I think e5 will actually happen in the books but just explain things more. e3 I think will be different in the books (no prince that was promised? at all in the show really and think that might be more part of the books) and might explain the army of the dead's intentions a bit more than just having the night king being killed very easily with no explanation on why they were marching south in the first place
If anyone is surprised they weren't paying attention to season 7.
Just waiting to get the last episode out of the way so I can cancel HBO.
Par for the course for HBO, the last seasons of The Wire, Entourage, and Eastbound and Down also sucked.
The fact that not one person has replied that they like this season is shocking. it must be universally hated lol.
It also got the reputation for being a show where even your favorite characters could die at any time, based on the books. And that made it more interesting than anything else on TV. Once they passed the source material, all of the main characters have been invincible, and it's gotten a bit silly.
Well yes wrote:
The fact that not one person has replied that they like this season is shocking. it must be universally hated lol.
It also got the reputation for being a show where even your favorite characters could die at any time, based on the books. And that made it more interesting than anything else on TV. Once they passed the source material, all of the main characters have been invincible, and it's gotten a bit silly.
It wouldn't have been too terribly hard to strip the plot armor of the characters and still keep them alive. It used to be characters would die in spite of their intelligence, usually because of only small errors in judgment. Now we have characters living in spite of their stupidity, and in GoT that only happens because of plot armor.
All these characters could be alive still, the writing just has them being stupid and landing themselves in terrible situations which they just miraculously survive from.
See: the dothraki charge yet there's dothraki. Jorah survives despite being at the front of that mess, Greyworm lives despite being at the front of the unsullied. Danny lives despite landing in the middle of the undead. Danny's fleet makes it out, despite getting completely caught by surprise at dragonstone. Like Season 8 is just littered with characters surviving horrible mistakes.