How come no one is talking about the fact that Grant Fisher lost twice last week? + Oliver Hoare lost as well.

One day isn't another.

Any questions?

Does it count that I was thinking about it? Agreed with Malmo, as a coach, and I bet you'd be telling him the same thing

Isn't Fisher merely a 1:57.xx 800m guy on his best day? Fisher has to get himself amped for maximum pain tolerance to do well.

No foot speed wrote:

Isn't Fisher merely a 1:57.xx 800m guy on his best day? Fisher has to get himself amped for maximum pain tolerance to do well.

Lolwhat? He ran 1:51 this spring.

Why are we not talking about how Fisher beat 4 sub 3:40 guys that specialize in the 1500? Fisher lost to a miler and ran on tired legs in 5k. So that makes sense. Loosing to Teare is definitely still an upset, even though teare is a sub 4 miler and 13:31 guys. Still managed to beat Carlos Villareal (3:37), Mick Stanovsek(3:39), Reed Brown (3:38), and James West (3:37). So finishing 2nd in that field is still very impressive considering he's not training for the 1500.

As for Hoare, everyones quick to forget that Kiprotich finished 2nd two years ago at NCAA's only loosing to 3:35 Josh Kerr. He bested Engels, Thompson, Gourley, and many others in that race. He also closed in a 53 which is very competitive at any level of the sport at a 3:42 finishing time. Had good positioning and executed well.

Some losses to worthy opponents. Maybe it will fire them up.

str8 fax wrote:

Why are we not talking about how Fisher beat 4 sub 3:40 guys that specialize in the 1500? Fisher lost to a miler and ran on tired legs in 5k. So that makes sense. Loosing to Teare is definitely still an upset, even though teare is a sub 4 miler and 13:31 guys. Still managed to beat Carlos Villareal (3:37), Mick Stanovsek(3:39), Reed Brown (3:38), and James West (3:37). So finishing 2nd in that field is still very impressive considering he's not training for the 1500.

As for Hoare, everyones quick to forget that Kiprotich finished 2nd two years ago at NCAA's only loosing to 3:35 Josh Kerr. He bested Engels, Thompson, Gourley, and many others in that race. He also closed in a 53 which is very competitive at any level of the sport at a 3:42 finishing time. Had good positioning and executed well.

Some losses to worthy opponents. Maybe it will fire them up.

A lot of things are loose in your little world

I doubt if the Pac 12 meet is a high priority and the slow times would support that belief. Fisher probably trained right through it. He will run at a much higher at the NCAAs.

There was a thread on this a couple days ago.

Grant Fisher ran a 13:28 earlier this year with a 3:01 last 1200 and 4:05 last 1600. It's a little ironic considering he won his NCAA title in 14:28, but that 13:28 race and close is far more representative of how NCAAs is likely to go in the Conner Mantz/Robert Brandt era than two slow sit-and-kicks.

Plus, looking at the actual splits from Fisher's 1500, he closed faster than Paulson. Like with McDonald at NCAAs, the problem was that Paulson had the edge at the bell, and Fisher's footspeed wasn't so much better that he could make up the gap. A 3:49 with a 53 low last 400 and 1:51 last 800 isn't terrible by any means in any event.

This is not to say McDonald couldn't have run 13:26 with a 2:59 last 1200, or whatever. But I wouldn't say Fisher's double indicates anything bad about his chances at NCAAs.

As OP of the OG Nuguse thread, I must pick Nuguse to place at NCAAs. He's only been beat by 2 people this season in the 800/1500/Mile: Hoare and Villreal.

3 if you count prelims.

Don't forget wrote:

Grant Fisher ran a 13:28 earlier this year with a 3:01 last 1200 and 4:05 last 1600. It's a little ironic considering he won his NCAA title in 14:28, but that 13:28 race and close is far more representative of how NCAAs is likely to go in the Conner Mantz/Robert Brandt era than two slow sit-and-kicks.

Plus, looking at the actual splits from Fisher's 1500, he closed faster than Paulson. Like with McDonald at NCAAs, the problem was that Paulson had the edge at the bell, and Fisher's footspeed wasn't so much better that he could make up the gap. A 3:49 with a 53 low last 400 and 1:51 last 800 isn't terrible by any means in any event.

This is not to say McDonald couldn't have run 13:26 with a 2:59 last 1200, or whatever. But I wouldn't say Fisher's double indicates anything bad about his chances at NCAAs.

+1

Fisher just needs to be a little more commanding to win. He is most certainly capable of winning, but he seems to leave it just a little too late. He's incredibly strong but his flat-out speed is not so good (1:51 open 800 when he can close a 1500 in that), so he needs to make a strong move a couple laps out and run the kick out of McDonald.

McDonald is still the favorite in the 5k. I don’t see Fisher beating him.

The 1500 is much more open. Hoare could turn it around by NCAAs. If it’s tactical watch out for Worley, Beamish and Comber. Worley won big 12’s with a 52 last lap. Comber won Big East closing in 51.

Beamish is very fit but might do the 5k. If he’s healthy the sky is the limit. Dude won NCAAs after two weeks in the pool with an injury.

Don’t sleep on Waleed Suliman either.

Kiprotich closed in 53 seconds to win in 3:42, that is a really fast close. He's a real contender at NCAA's, just like Hoare and a few other guys. That's why Hoare lost, he was racing another guy that could also win NCAA's.

Things that matter to Grant Fisher:

Academics

Running injury-free

National titles

Conference? Really?!

He would’ve have won the race if he didn’t get bumped coming off the final turn. He looked like he was about to blast everyone but lost all of his momentum coming off the turn in the 1500

Can someone explain how Teare wasn’t DQ. I was watching the race and he shot through a tight gap but also impeded a runner in doing so. I’ve seen less get DQed

I guess Oregon can do anything

Looks like lost a couple kicks.

This is because college kids hardly race. It’s their fault.

Second place is not really "LOSING"

Wasn’t Fisher racing those guys? Did Fisher win those races? No he lost the races and he lost to those guys. If you lose, you are a loser. I hate when people redefine the English language. It isn’t an insult, just the facts.