check out New Balance's answer to the Vaporfly, a "Project 5280" road variant?

zoomzoomzoom wrote:

this is rather interesting, appears to be a road adaptation of the track model, and I oddly *really* want to see what Emily can do in these, likely touch or break Deena's marathon AR given what she did in plain 1500v4

https://imgur.com/a/e9Swn5T

other variation

https://imgur.com/a/qVzBDeZhttps://imgur.com/a/fO9mLuj

old prototype pics that leaked last year

https://imgur.com/a/GBztBJE

Uh-oh...someone is off their meds...

zoomzoomzoom wrote:

this is rather interesting, appears to be a road adaptation of the track model, and I oddly *really* want to see what Emily can do in these, likely touch or break Deena's marathon AR given what she did in plain 1500v4E

Hold up. Aren't you the guy always complaining about spring shoes and so forth? What makes it ok for new balance but not Nike?

Supahstah wrote:

Hold up. Aren't you the guy always complaining about spring shoes and so forth? What makes it ok for new balance but not Nike?

oh I definitely still have a problem with them all

but I started to realize that until this becomes REALLY stupid, like a new CR/AR/WR every race, age-groupers destroying records, with every manufacturer producing further and further aggressive technology producing impossible gains, nothing is ever going to be said or done about it, people just write it off in their heads as "oh better training"

and as long as it was just Nike, everyone was just going with it for some reason I also don't understand

so people have to decide, at what point is it getting ridiculous? 4%? 5%? 6%? how about 9%? 10%? would 14% be too much? if so, why is 4% okay?

when someone can just do 25mpw, put on a special pair of shoes and run a 3 hour marathon, suddenly the BQ is going to become 2:45

then we can all have a discussion about it and if it's the shoes or not

may be too late but at least we'll all be on the same page

2024+2028 Olympic standards are going to be *fascinating*

What's the 5280 in reference to? Denver? Anyways, nice, I've been waiting for a New Balance answer. They're one of the biggest companies in the running scene and sponsor so much, yet it seemed like they were just sitting on their thumbs while everyone else released new tech.

My brain tells me there are 5280 feet in a mile.

Ah right. Good thing I'm on LetsRun, where people can't just give you an answer without being condescending about it.

Banana Bread wrote:

My brain tells me there are 5280 feet in a mile.

Its a stupid name. Runners think in meters. It should be project 1609 or something, but then it would sound like a spike.

Thanks for the honest reply.

The Bone Zone wrote:

Ah right. Good thing I'm on LetsRun, where people can't just give you an answer without being condescending about it.

I think that's just how you took it. He simply answered it. However, when you're getting educated by Banana Bread, it might be time to reevaluate your knowledge vault and critical thinking skills.

Should have been called Project 138435

Looks like the original Skechers GoRun, midfoot bump and all.

That said, this plate madness must stop. We are THIS close to having a shoe that will allow anyone to have an 8-foot stride. One of our 2:15 guys will run 2:01, then Kipchoge will run 1:54. Is this what we want?

*sigh*

Anyway, this thread is about shoes. Is there any timetable for when we might start seeing these available to the public?

The Bone Zone wrote:

Anyway, this thread is about shoes. Is there any timetable for when we might start seeing these available to the public?

this is actually a good question not just on these but any shoes used by pros

in the cycling world, there is actually an enforced rule where any part used on a bike has to be available to the public within a certain timeframe (can't remember but it's months, not years)

now manufacturers get around that by making only a few dozen if it's a $5000 part which seems to skirt the poorly written rule but at least there is some kind of attempt to keep it remotely honest

would be nice to see a timeframe enforcement done on running equipment used in races (ie. shoes but would be funny if Rupp's hole-singlet had to be sold to public)

then again there is the problem of custom shoes for genuine foot problems, like Molly Huddle has a semi-custom shoe for years, not for performance but some kind of foot issue, has a hybrid upper/lower

tarckstar wrote:

Looks like the original Skechers GoRun, midfoot bump and all.

That said, this plate madness must stop. We are THIS close to having a shoe that will allow anyone to have an 8-foot stride. One of our 2:15 guys will run 2:01, then Kipchoge will run 1:54. Is this what we want?

We are literally nowhere close to that. For years we regularly accepted marginal improvements of 1-2% for racing flats over trainers. Nike comes out with a higher priced and hard to acquire shoe that offers 3-4% gains and suddenly its a bridge to far. Technology is ruining the sport, blah blah blah. It's ridiculous. They are shoes with clever and effective marketing.

I have tried these on. They are not like the 4%'s in that I think they are essentially intended for road miles only (hence 5280 name), whereas 4% are more for longer stuff. There is literally nothing under the heel, there is no way you could ever wear this if you were a heel striker, or in events with a pace more accommodating to heel strikers.

The Bone Zone wrote:

*sigh*

Anyway, this thread is about shoes. Is there any timetable for when we might start seeing these available to the public?

after elites run in them for a year and they get hype on social media

Anyone know when these are planned to release? Would love a good road mile shoe

joe schmo wrote:

I have tried these on. They are not like the 4%'s in that I think they are essentially intended for road miles only (hence 5280 name), whereas 4% are more for longer stuff. There is literally nothing under the heel, there is no way you could ever wear this if you were a heel striker, or in events with a pace more accommodating to heel strikers.

No one ever accused zoomzoom of being smart.

joe schmo wrote:

I have tried these on. They are not like the 4%'s in that I think they are essentially intended for road miles only (hence 5280 name)

you didn't likely try on the shoes in the first photo

the later photos are from the old 5280 project and probably what you recognize