PA's Marlee Starliper runs 9:54 .75 3200 to break PA state record, #8 all time

The local newspaper is reporting Tuohy spent most of Friday taking 2 AP exams so perhaps that explains why no Friday race, and perhaps out of sorts on Saturday.

That will do it--there is a lot of psychology involved as well and you need to be mentally sharp to perform optimally

Yes. I agree. wrote:

If I were still a D1 head coach, Starcher would be very high on my radar.

What are Starliper's 400m and 800m personal bests? If you don't have open results for either, then relay results. Four-hundred metres and 800m results for all track & field athletes are important to know (except jumpers, sprinters and throwers).

I saw 2:13 which is very respectable but not blazing fast. On the other hand, if you are not training for those distances and rarely race them , then your PRs are not that revealing.

Kev2 wrote:

I saw 2:13 which is very respectable but not blazing fast. On the other hand, if you are not training for those distances and rarely race them , then your PRs are not that revealing.

2:13 800m is a good high school performance.

She also ran a 2:50 indoor 1000 which is probably equivalent to around a 2:10 800

webby wrote:

You'd have to be daft to believe that Tuohy, the holder of multiple high school and US Junior records from the mile to the 5000, has much of a future in running.

You're saying because she is fast now, she won't continue to improve? Mary Decker and Jordan Hasay were fast as 14-year olds and continued to improve through college and beyond. Touhy has great form and is a rare talent. There's no reason to believe she is likely to experience some physiological change like Cain did.

Most of Tuohy's records were in races that turned out to be defacto time trials:

The 15:37 indoor 5k - she lapped the entire field.

The 9:47 3200 - won by 20 seconds.

The 4:33 outdoor mile at NB Nationals - won by 10 seconds.

The only record where she was pushed by pros in a fast race was her indoor 9:01 3000m, which is her only race so far outside of normal high school schedule.

Most of these are on you tube.

I would venture that 99% of US distance runners know their 800 PR, at least in a relay split. That's because the distance athletes run the 4x800, the distance medley, sprint medley etc. , and often throw in an occasional open 800 (or even 400 with mile relay etc.) In fact the young lady from Illinois - Hart, just won the 800, 1600 and 3200 at a meet. Tuohy has run a couple 2:09 800 splits on relays.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Touhy has great form and is a rare talent. There's no reason to believe she is likely to experience some physiological change like Cain did.

There is no reason to believe that a boyish looking 16-17 yo will not experience some physiological changes in the next 5 years that could be detrimental to high level running performance? Sure, Tuohy might stay almost as lean but it is quite likely that she will not, isn't it? And it is something one cannot do much about, I guess.

"strong in track, but cross country is where she really excels"

I'm not sure what the difference between strong and exceling is???

She is the national high school record holder in the track 5k - as a sophomore in an event she has only run once.

She is the national record holder at 1 mile and 2 mile equivalents - as a soph and jr. In these 2 events she is still technically behind Cain and Efraimson, who ran their times after turning pro, but she is within striking distance even of these marks.

In cross country she has won 2 consecutive national championships, and set numerous course records.

What would you like her to do on the track to improve her results vs cross country?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

webby wrote:

You'd have to be daft to believe that Tuohy, the holder of multiple high school and US Junior records from the mile to the 5000, has much of a future in running.

You're saying because she is fast now, she won't continue to improve? Mary Decker and Jordan Hasay were fast as 14-year olds and continued to improve through college and beyond. Touhy has great form and is a rare talent. There's no reason to believe she is likely to experience some physiological change like Cain did.

To clarify, I was mocking the previous poster. There is every reason to believe that Tuohy has a bright future.

webby wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

You're saying because she is fast now, she won't continue to improve? Mary Decker and Jordan Hasay were fast as 14-year olds and continued to improve through college and beyond. Touhy has great form and is a rare talent. There's no reason to believe she is likely to experience some physiological change like Cain did.

To clarify, I was mocking the previous poster. There is every reason to believe that Tuohy has a bright future.

You got me; on this forum you can never tell. There have descriptions of Trump that sound like great satire, but the poster is actually serious.

webby wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

You're saying because she is fast now, she won't continue to improve? Mary Decker and Jordan Hasay were fast as 14-year olds and continued to improve through college and beyond. Touhy has great form and is a rare talent. There's no reason to believe she is likely to experience some physiological change like Cain did.

To clarify, I was mocking the previous poster. There is every reason to believe that Tuohy has a bright future.

Then I will respond as the previous poster. There is no reason to believe she has much future. She trains incredibly hard and is already spouting off about trying to make the 2020 Olympics. Recipe's for burn out. The thing is we don't know if she's a solid talent who just works insanely hard(this would be bad) or if she's a once in life time talent, but from interviews and things it's clear she works super hard. There isn't going to be much room for improvement and the potential is there that she has worked so hard she's slowed her development which will kick in at some point, likely between now and 2020 and then where will she be left mentally? Especially if she makes the colossal mistake of going pro.

How do you know these things? Do you have links to articles that describe her mpw, pace on easy days and tempos and types of interval workouts?

I would still like to see Touhy, Starcher , Starliper, Hart, and Parks go head to head in an 800 and 1500. Who had the fastest feet ? My guess is Starcher based on her mile time of 4:38 then Touhy, Starliper , Parks, Hart . What are your predictions ?

It's been discussed at length on here, plus the track record of the girls in her place hasn't been good.

But no I don't have links giving 100% specifics. The SI article where she was gatorade athlete of the year is a good place to start.

"Except for the few times she’s been sick, she doubts she’s gone 24 hours without exercise since she took her first steps."

"Her ideal day begins with a predawn wake-up and a 10-mile run. Then grab breakfast, go for a hike and hit the gym."

"So, Katelyn, what’s the farthest you’ve ever run? She steals a glance at North Rockland’s outdoor track coach, Kyle Murphy. “I can’t answer that when he’s right here,” she says, giggling. “I’m going to get in trouble.”"

"If they tell her she can run 10 miles one day, she will negotiate for 11. If they instruct her to train six days per week, she will ask to add a light run on the seventh. Even the workout pace offers a chance to haggle. "

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2018/07/17/katelyn-tuohy-gatorade-athlete-year

But this is a thread about Starliper running an awesome 3200, so let's focus on that.

There are still no details of her training in the SI article and the woman that wrote it is a former rower. I'm a little sceptical about the 10-mile run, hike and gym work before the start of school. She would need to wake up around 4:00 AM to do so. If they had disclosed her mpw we would know if she really does that. Maybe her "ideal day" is only on Saturdays. If the author was a former competitive runner she would have pressed for more details on her training.