When will Usatf name the WC Marathon Team??

No money, bad weather, not a desirable location. You won't see any top US names do this race and I don't blame them at all.

Fauble said on the Citius Mag podcast that he is leaning towards not running a fall marathon this year, so he definitely will not be running the WC race. Ward will almost certainly also be focused on the trials. Would look for names like Tim Ritchie and Brogan Austin to be featured.

For the women, obviously Hasay and Linden will not waste their time with that. Tuliamuk is probably a good bet, maybe Emma Bates.

Don’t blame USATF on this.

Invites sent out.

Athletes given ample time to accept (they can certainly accept before deadline).

Expect to arrive at a very watered down team but this is on the declining athletes, not USATF.

When is the deadline for athletes to accept the invitation? Do they go down the list as more and more decline? I blame the IAAF or the Doha weather. Average high temps of 100F; lows of about 80F that time of year. A championships marathon in the middle of the night seems partway between really cool and slightly sad. If we send a bunch of 2:15-2:18 guys I hope they do the USA proud by running their hearts out. And good for them for earning the chance to represent their country in an international competition. But I wouldn't expect a top tier running to compete.

Oooops did it again wrote:

Don’t blame USATF on this.

Invites sent out.

Athletes given ample time to accept (they can certainly accept before deadline).

Expect to arrive at a very watered down team but this is on the declining athletes, not USATF.

Oooops did it again wrote:

Don’t blame USATF on this.

Invites sent out.

Athletes given ample time to accept (they can certainly accept before deadline).

Expect to arrive at a very watered down team but this is on the declining athletes, not USATF.

I imagine this is mostly a financial question- if usatf paid on par will New York/Chicago, you would get more participation. In this context, it is mostly on usatf. Of course for their money they are likley ok with 2nd tier marathoners at WC- you get what you pay for.

worthless marathon wrote:

. Would look for names like Tim Ritchie and Brogan Austin to be featured.

Knowing that IAAF does not recognize CIM could you please tell me where these guys have a qualifying mark?

worthless marathon wrote:

Would look for names like Tim Ritchie and Brogan Austin to be featured.

I think this is the list of men who are eligible:

Rupp 2:06:07

Ward 2:12:24

Fauble 2:12:28

Kibet 2:12:35

Biwott 2:12:52

Derrick 2:13:08

Epperson 2:13:11

Braun 2:13:16

Jermann 2:13:29

Hampton 2:14:19

Montanez 2:14:27

Stinson 2:14:29

Totten 2:14:30

Osman 2:14:40

Cabada 2:15:00

Leak 2:15:02

Sathre 2:15:11

Ritchie 2:15:22

Vail 2:15:31

Eggleston 2:15:44

I would guess that Kibet, Biwott and Epperson will go.

I believe Brogan Austin isn't eligible because his only marathon was at CIM and that is not recognized as legitimate qualifying course by IAAF due to point to point -400+ foot elevation drop.

The list with marathons in the qualification window are:

Galen Rupp 2:06:07

Jared Ward 2:12:24

Scott Fauble 2:12:28

Elkanah Kibet 2:12:35

Shadrack Biwott 2:12:52

Chris Derrick 2:13:08

Andrew Epperson 2:13:11

Aaron Braun 2:13:16

Tyler Jermann 2:13:29

My guess is the people to accept are Elkanah Kibet, Shadrack Biwott, and Andrew Epperson

Brogan Austin Can't wrote:

I believe Brogan Austin isn't eligible because his only marathon was at CIM and that is not recognized as legitimate qualifying course by IAAF due to point to point -400+ foot elevation drop.

The list with marathons in the qualification window are:

Galen Rupp 2:06:07

Jared Ward 2:12:24

Scott Fauble 2:12:28

Elkanah Kibet 2:12:35

Shadrack Biwott 2:12:52

Chris Derrick 2:13:08

Andrew Epperson 2:13:11

Aaron Braun 2:13:16

Tyler Jermann 2:13:29

My guess is the people to accept are Elkanah Kibet, Shadrack Biwott, and Andrew Epperson

We agree! One note though: CIM and Boston are ineligible for qualifying because of the elevation drop. Point to point courses, like Grandma's, are eligible for IAAF qualification but not for records.

Nope. Grandmas also is not eligible. Any one direction course is ineligible.

Top 10 at Boston does qualify.

It can be tricky wrote:

Nope. Grandmas also is not eligible. Any one direction course is ineligible.

Top 10 at Boston does qualify.

IAAF Rules – All performances must be achieved at a competition conducted according to the IAAF Rules

Course measurement – All performances must be achieved on a course which holds a valid International Course Measurement Certificate established no more than five years before the date of the race.

Separation between start and finish – Performances achieved on courses where the start and finish points, measured along a theoretical straight line between them, are further apart than 50% of the race distance are:

not valid for:

- world records

valid for:

- Legal top lists

- Entry standards

- World rankings

Elevation drop – Performances achieved on courses with a drop in elevation between the start and the finish which exceeds 1:1000, i.e. 1m per km, are:

not valid for:

- Legal top lists

- Entry standards

- World records

valid for:

- World rankings (where a correction is made to the result score from which points are deducted depending on the drop)

It can be tricky wrote:

Nope. Grandmas also is not eligible. Any one direction course is ineligible.

Top 10 at Boston does qualify.

Paul Yak trying to compete at Rio had a qualifier from Grandma's, but it is not approved by IAAF because of point to point. Most point to point are not allowed, from my understanding only Boston is the only exception because it is a world marathon major (that's not why, but it is why).

It can be tricky wrote:

Nope. Grandmas also is not eligible. Any one direction course is ineligible.

Top 10 at Boston does qualify.

You are incorrect.

Point-to-point races count for IAAF entry standards as long as the net elevation drop is less than 1 Meter per Kilometer.

Grandma's meets the "drop" test and is on the current (5/6/19) list of IAAF Certified courses allowed for qualification standards.

No appearance fees means it's always 2nd tier performers who go. Especially now that athletes need an Oly standard and WC is usually not a favorable place to achieve that. Look back at London to get an idea. Unless your sister or teammate is chosen, you probably won't care who's on the US team.

Hey Usatf wrote:

Kenya has named there team but have heard nothing from USA.

I hope that anyone that has no chance of making the team on the track accepts a position.

Fauble

Ward

Not sure who else has a time that was not run on an aided course.

Hasay

Johnson

Tulliamuk

Linden—especially if she skips the Olympic Trials

Sorry to break it to you but none of those athletes will run Worlds

Who would be interested out of these?

Evan Jogger wrote:

No appearance fees means it's always 2nd tier performers who go. Especially now that athletes need an Oly standard and WC is usually not a favorable place to achieve that. Look back at London to get an idea. Unless your sister or teammate is chosen, you probably won't care who's on the US team.

Top 10 at the World Championship qualifies you for the Olympics. They don’t have to run under the time standard. Plus it’s further out from the Olympic Trials, which means more time to recover.

You are maybe the dumbest person ever. You think usatf is going to pay the marathoners potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to run in Doha? Especially when we suck on the men’s side and can’t medal anyway? They then would need to do it for other events. Congratulations, you are the dumbest person on this thread.

Real Question wrote:

Oooops did it again wrote:

Don’t blame USATF on this.

Invites sent out.

Athletes given ample time to accept (they can certainly accept before deadline).

Expect to arrive at a very watered down team but this is on the declining athletes, not USATF.

I imagine this is mostly a financial question- if usatf paid on par will New York/Chicago, you would get more participation. In this context, it is mostly on usatf. Of course for their money they are likley ok with 2nd tier marathoners at WC- you get what you pay for.

It can be tricky wrote:

Nope. Grandmas also is not eligible. Any one direction course is ineligible.

Top 10 at Boston does qualify.

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USA San Diego, CA Rock ‘n’ Roll San Diego Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant

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USA South Lake Tahoe, CA Lake Tahoe Half Marathon Half Marathon Downhill, Separation > 50%

USA South Lake Tahoe, CA Lake Tahoe Marathon Marathon Downhill, Separation > 50%

USA The Woodlands, TX The Woodlands Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant

USA Vancouver, WA Apple Tree Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant

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USA Wailuku, HI Valley of the Sea Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant

USA Washington, DC United Airlines Rock 'n' Roll Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant

USA Washington, DC Marine Corps Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant

USA Washington, DC United Airlines Rock 'n' Roll Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant

LIST OF IAAF CERTIFIED MARATHON AND HALF MARATHON COURSES

Updated 5 October 2018

Any word?