Renato Canova wrote:
Another funny thing is that all believers in doping are not very good in statistics.
Here, I give you numbers and names of the athletes, included in top 100 all-time, who were positive in their career (also if after their best performance) :
5000m
Mohammed Mourhit (BEL/MAR) 12'49"71 in 2000 (17th) (he was DQ for EPO after winning WCCCh 2001)
Abderrahim Goumri (MAR) 12'50"25 (20th) in 2005 (he was DQ for the BP in 2008)
Ali Saidi-Sief (ALG) 12'50"86 (24th) in 2000 (DQ for nandrolone after WCh 2001)
Dieter Baumann (GER) 12'54"70 (46th) in 1997
Mathew Kisorio (KEN) 12'57"83 (73th) in 2010
10000m
Mohammed Mourhit 26'52"30 (34th) in 1999
Mathew Kisorio 26'54"25 (41st) in 2011
Abderrahim Goumri 27'02"62 (62nd) in 2005
HM
Abraham Kiptum (KEN) 58'18" (1st) in 2018 (for BP, still not official)
Mathew Kisorio (KEN) 58'46" (10th) in 2011
James Mwangi Wangari (KEN) 59'07" (29th) in 2016
MARATHON
2:04:53 Mathew Kisorio (44th) in 2018
2:05:13 Wilson Erupe (55th) in 2016
2:05:26 Abraham Kiptum (65th) in 2018
2:05:30 Abderrahim Goumri (71st) in 2008
Not only, but something nobody consider (of course, because can be AGAINST the theory of the big advantages of EPO) is that the performances of Kisorio and Erupe were achieved AFTER coming back from the ban.
Here we can see all the marathons of Kisorio :
Before the ban (starting on 11.07.2012, ending on 10.07.2014) :
2:10:58 (7) New York 6.11.2011
2:18:15 (10) Boston 16.04.2012
After coming back :
2:06:33 (2) Valencia 15.11.2015
2:14:13 (9) Dongying 8.05.2016
2:13:27 (9) Valencia 20.11.2016
2:07:32 (1) Daegu 2.04.2017
2:11:20 (13) Valencia 19.11.2017
2:06:36 (2) Paris 8.04.2018
2:13:14 (3) Mexico City 26.08.2018
2:04:53 (3) Valencia 2.12.2018
2:12:38 (1) Eldoret 21.04.2019
And here we can see all the marathons of Wilson Erupe (positive for EPO on 4.02.2013 after his worse competition in HM in Houston, ban ending on 3.02.2015) :
2:13:00 (1) Mombasa 15.05.2011
2:09:23 (1) Gongju 16.10.2011
2:05:37 (1) Seoul 18.03.2012
2:06:46 (1) Gongju 21.10.2012 (these, before the ban)
2:06:11 (1) Seoul 15.03.2015
2:07:01 (1) Gongju 11.10.2015
2:05:13 (1) Seoul 20.03.2016
2:08:52 (5) Gongju 16.10.2016
2:06:27 (5) Seoul 19.03.2018
2:06:57 (1) Seoul 18.03
At this point, if the "believers" of EPO are able to be honest in the analysis of the FACTS, for a moment forgetting their SUPPOSITIONS, we can see that BOTH THE ATHLETES ACHIEVED THEIR BEST PERFORMANCE AFTER COMING BACK FROM THE BAN.
Of course, the justification for this is "they continued to dope", but this is a supposition without any evidence, and probably without any base, because, after the ban, both of them lived their period of more intense control, going under the "care" of the antidoping of South Africa for more than 10 times.
And another thing : if you give credibility to Mathew Kisorio for his interview by Seppelt in ARD, you need also to give credibility to ALL HIS FURTHER BEHAVIOR, and he apologized for making the mistake of doping, explaining how he lost friends, manager and self respect, and how difficult was to recover also under the human point of view.
At the end, is very funny that, in 4 different events, considering the top 100 all-time, the names connected with doping are fundamentaly always the same, representing 5% in 5000m, 3% in 10,000m, 3% in HM and 4% in full Marathon.
Of course, with a good exercise of "logic", if 3-4-5% of athletes are doped, IT MEANS THAT THE OTHER 97-96-95% ARE DOPED FOR THE TRANSITIVE CAPACITY.
Really, nobody can try to think that the answer is very simple : THE MOST PART OF THEM ARE CLEAN ?