What could Kipchoge run for the 100k off marathon training in Berlin/London shape?

VDOT calculator says Kipchoge could hypothetically run 100k in 5h10minutes. Can't see any reason he would fail to run under 5h30 barring injury or mechanically breaking down. Aerobically he wouldn't be fazed at all.

good luck finding a pacer to go 60k at 5:20 pace. 50k world record is something like 5:18 pace.

reed wrote:

good luck finding a pacer to go 60k at 5:20 pace. 50k world record is something like 5:18 pace.

That record is very weak. Any sub 2:10 marathoner should be able to break it. As for your question, pick 3 kenyans who ran 2:06-2:07 recently, have them run it as a goal race and there you have it.

Off marathon training? Dnf.

Stop kidding yourselves about the specificity of training for ultra distances. With some specific training, who knows, I think he'd set a WR but it isn't a given.

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

Off marathon training? Dnf.

Stop kidding yourselves about the specificity of training for ultra distances. With some specific training, who knows, I think he'd set a WR but it isn't a given.

This. Or way, way off the pace. He's said he's never run more than 42km at one time, I'm not sure why everybody thinks he can go double his maximum distance ever with no problems.

Apples and Oranges.

What if......?

What if......?

What if......?

If my aunt had balls she be my uncle.

:)

There have been decent marathoners get owned by legit ultra guys. A simple google search will show you guys with sub 2:10-2:14 credentials get owned.

100k is far.

Alan

BUTTHOLE SURFER wrote:

Apples and Oranges.

What if......?

What if......?

What if......?

If my aunt had balls she be my uncle.

:)

If your aunt had balls she could still run the women’s 5000m.

Runningart2004 wrote:

There have been decent marathoners get owned by legit ultra guys. A simple google search will show you guys with sub 2:10-2:14 credentials get owned.

100k is far.

Alan

A simple google search will show you Kipchoge is the greatest marathoner to ever walk this earth, while 100k is far with proper motivation ($$$) he could destroy anyone. A 2:14 marathoner is a joke of a comparison, that's not even good enough to be professional.

This guy was a 2:10 marathoner, and held WR (6:13:33) until last year. Kipchoge is 8:38 faster over marahton. That translate into 20min advantage in 100km

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takahiro_Sunada

The current record holder (6:09:14) is only a 2:17 marathoner. Kipchoge's 15:35 advantage will translate into about 37 min in 100km.

So I'd say about 5:50 off his marathon training, and 5:30 with specific training for 100km.

This is the mindset of those who think he can ...

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what does that compute to?

520 pace all the way, that would be very comfortable for kip

anyone that does 100 miles per week with quality in there is capable of 100km run.

you do have to go slower and get nutrition like tour de france

my dad was worth 250 marathon and ran 36 miles off 70 miles per week around age 50.

a one off, have never gone further than the marathon. and 20 milers on sunday.

i got lost one time and ran for about 6 hours, jogging and 6 minutes pace .... mixed in...

point being, when you slow it down, you can go much further... much further than you think.

100k > 42k wrote:

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

Off marathon training? Dnf.

Stop kidding yourselves about the specificity of training for ultra distances. With some specific training, who knows, I think he'd set a WR but it isn't a given.

This. Or way, way off the pace. He's said he's never run more than 42km at one time, I'm not sure why everybody thinks he can go double his maximum distance ever with no problems.

THIS is why I hate ultra runners. They think their sport is actually relevant, important, and unscramble by actual fast road guys. There is almost no one who trains for ultras that runs as many MPW as Kipchoge. He would legit plunge their buttholes. His aerobic capacity is through the roof.

You’re politically incorrect and toxic. Please grow up.

Walmsley vs Kip wrote:

If the course would be flat with good weather and good pacers through 50-60k i think he could run 5h30' right now. 5h40' in the worst case scenario. Also if he took a year to fully concentrate on it i could see him running 5h20' maybe 5h15' if he nails a perfect race scenario. A 6h 100k would be a dawdle to Kip.

Kipchoge is too thin for any "ultra" type event. In simple terms, he'd be out of muscle glycogen 40 miles in (or earlier) and the bigger runners carrying more glycogen would catch up and pass him, despite his EPO use. Wouldn't matter how much gatorade he slurps down - although the way things are he'd probably be passed special "water" and maybe he could hold on.

Walmsley vs Kip wrote:

If the course would be flat with good weather and good pacers through 50-60k i think he could run 5h30' right now. 5h40' in the worst case scenario. Also if he took a year to fully concentrate on it i could see him running 5h20' maybe 5h15' if he nails a perfect race scenario. A 6h 100k would be a dawdle to Kip.

This is one of the age old classic debates. To resolve this, a race format was set up in the 80s called "The Ultimate Runner" with prize money where I believe runners ran every standard race distance from 400m to the marathon in a single day, and were scored based on how far off the WR they were in each event. See John Parker Jr (Once A Runner)'s "And Then The Vulture Eats You" for more info on that race.

Is the question what Kipchoge's fitness translates to or what he could actually run right now? Saying Kipchoge v Walmsley is a bit silly. We saw today with Jim what literally happens time after time to strong ultrarunners in the 100km, even those with experience going longer. 5:30 in a lab isn't crazy, but neither is breaking 2 in the marathon. Actually executing is another story. Some people say anything can happen in the marathon. That's debatable, but there's no question that the longer the race, the more that can go wrong, and today was a classic example. Even if Jim were to have run 5:50 today, it would still pale to EK's 2:01:39 in Berlin. How would EK do in the 100km? Anyone's guess, but rest assured, that anyone who is confident in any position (any which way, including this statement), is wrong.

A true historian, to remember Ultimate Runner. And I would add, Comrades conducts this experiment every year. SA marathoners have all the incentive to move up (prize money ? & national-hero status). Absolutely not dominated by the fastest marathoners.

dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:

100k > 42k wrote:

This. Or way, way off the pace. He's said he's never run more than 42km at one time, I'm not sure why everybody thinks he can go double his maximum distance ever with no problems.

THIS is why I hate ultra runners. They think their sport is actually relevant, important, and unscramble by actual fast road guys. There is almost no one who trains for ultras that runs as many MPW as Kipchoge. He would legit plunge their buttholes. His aerobic capacity is through the roof.

Lol, why is it you think the WR holder at a shorter distance can just go crush a longer distance without training? Like, where is the logic in that? So the WR miler should have the 5k WR right? Why doesn't Bekele have the HM and marathon WR? Bekele took years to prepare for the marathon and never broke 2:03.

I think the real reason you hate ultras and ultra runners is because you know you can't finish one. Running the human equivalent of NASCAR is fun I know, but step off the track once in a while. Or away from the computer more likely. Also, Kipchoge runs like 120mpw. Most elite ultra runners are close to 200mpw.

Maybe you just want Kipchoge to plunge your butthole.