Armstronglivs wrote:
Semenya defender wrote:
You all have such small and hateful opinions. I don't see how letting Caster Semenya and other women like her compete in their natural state is any different than the naturally tall basketball players in the NBA or WNBA, the naturally petite gymnasts, naturally fast or strong NFL players, etc. This is the way she was born, and this is the way she was created. It is her gift and we are not letting her use it. She isn't taking artificial testosterone and she isn't doping. She has done nothing wrong, and we are punishing her because of the way she was born. Please just take a step back and think about that. Think about what changing her natural hormone balance could mean for her long-term health and well-being.
Her "gift" that you refer to is not strength, height, speed or agility - those genderless traits you refer to - but that she possesses testes. So do I. By your argument, I, too, should be allowed to compete in women's sport. Well, of course - some like me now are. And people like you have no problem with that. The irony is that you think you are standing up for the rights and interests of women.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
I'm not interested enough to pay $37.00. The abstract does not really answer my questions, so I'll search around to see if I can find it elsewhere. Is that the only study that was utilized to formulate the rule?
Semenya Defender wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Semenya defender wrote:
You all have such small and hateful opinions. I don't see how letting Caster Semenya and other women like her compete in their natural state is any different than the naturally tall basketball players in the NBA or WNBA, the naturally petite gymnasts, naturally fast or strong NFL players, etc. This is the way she was born, and this is the way she was created. It is her gift and we are not letting her use it. She isn't taking artificial testosterone and she isn't doping. She has done nothing wrong, and we are punishing her because of the way she was born. Please just take a step back and think about that. Think about what changing her natural hormone balance could mean for her long-term health and well-being.
Her "gift" that you refer to is not strength, height, speed or agility - those genderless traits you refer to - but that she possesses testes. So do I. By your argument, I, too, should be allowed to compete in women's sport. Well, of course - some like me now are. And people like you have no problem with that. The irony is that you think you are standing up for the rights and interests of women.
She doesn't have testes. Caster Semenya is a woman. There's really not much you can argue with about that.
Not remotely. wrote:
I don't feel remotely sorry for her. She has had undeserved fame and fortune for years, at the direct expense of the runners who finish behind her - even with this ruling I still feel sorry for THEM. Once in a lifetime chances to win World and Olympic titles gone forever. How does this equate to "poor Semanya".
She isn't being banned retrospectively - she's still got the medals, the times and the money. She seemed to take great pleasure rubbing in her "advantages" by continually flexing her biceps after her "victories", while the women she consistently "beat" with ease lay shattered and disillusioned on the track.
She's had far more than her fair share of "success" and it would have been nothing less than an utter travesty and the death knell for women's athletics, if she and her DSD compatriots had been allowed to continue milking all the gold and glory from their events forever.
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Perry Mason wrote:
The correct ruling.
lets be honest wrote:
Semenya Defender wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Semenya defender wrote:
You all have such small and hateful opinions. I don't see how letting Caster Semenya and other women like her compete in their natural state is any different than the naturally tall basketball players in the NBA or WNBA, the naturally petite gymnasts, naturally fast or strong NFL players, etc. This is the way she was born, and this is the way she was created. It is her gift and we are not letting her use it. She isn't taking artificial testosterone and she isn't doping. She has done nothing wrong, and we are punishing her because of the way she was born. Please just take a step back and think about that. Think about what changing her natural hormone balance could mean for her long-term health and well-being.
Her "gift" that you refer to is not strength, height, speed or agility - those genderless traits you refer to - but that she possesses testes. So do I. By your argument, I, too, should be allowed to compete in women's sport. Well, of course - some like me now are. And people like you have no problem with that. The irony is that you think you are standing up for the rights and interests of women.
She doesn't have testes. Caster Semenya is a woman. There's really not much you can argue with about that.
A woman with 46 XY has testes. This is a universal fact. You can deny it or hate it, but it is fact.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
I'm not interested enough to pay $37.00. The abstract does not really answer my questions, so I'll search around to see if I can find it elsewhere. Is that the only study that was utilized to formulate the rule?
shifting burdens wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
I'm not interested enough to pay $37.00. The abstract does not really answer my questions, so I'll search around to see if I can find it elsewhere. Is that the only study that was utilized to formulate the rule?
I thought you were some sort of hot-shot researcher with some sort of academic credentials? If so your department/institution should be providing you with access to this kind of research. Maybe I have you confused with somebody else.
Mr Kleinfelter wrote:
lets be honest wrote:
Semenya Defender wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Semenya defender wrote:
You all have such small and hateful opinions. I don't see how letting Caster Semenya and other women like her compete in their natural state is any different than the naturally tall basketball players in the NBA or WNBA, the naturally petite gymnasts, naturally fast or strong NFL players, etc. This is the way she was born, and this is the way she was created. It is her gift and we are not letting her use it. She isn't taking artificial testosterone and she isn't doping. She has done nothing wrong, and we are punishing her because of the way she was born. Please just take a step back and think about that. Think about what changing her natural hormone balance could mean for her long-term health and well-being.
Her "gift" that you refer to is not strength, height, speed or agility - those genderless traits you refer to - but that she possesses testes. So do I. By your argument, I, too, should be allowed to compete in women's sport. Well, of course - some like me now are. And people like you have no problem with that. The irony is that you think you are standing up for the rights and interests of women.
She doesn't have testes. Caster Semenya is a woman. There's really not much you can argue with about that.
A woman with 46 XY has testes. This is a universal fact. You can deny it or hate it, but it is fact.
If someone is xy, then by the same biological/chromosomal definition, they can't be a woman. I would imagine her testes are intra-abdominal. And yes, there is quite a bit of arguing we can do about that. Her natural testosterone levels are equal or greater than what a woman would have while taking test or doping. Now THAT is a fact.
weird wrote:
milermb wrote:
It certainly is "excellent news". Now all those white, feminine looking women who find breaking 2:00 hard work will be able to win medals. And the corporate giants who in reality control our sport will be able to market them better and sell more shoes!
Everyone is happy! (Except, of course, the individual who can no longer compete in the sport she loves and happens to be rather good at.)
no he can this is the problem with liberals dont care about the female athletes that are up against a male
intenserunner wrote:
And if they can't prove it, does that mean men can now compete against women in distance events with their natural testosterone levels?
She doesn't perfectly fit either category, because, like gender, sex is not perfectly binary.