• Noticer of non-meme thread titles
      • Caster Semenya goes home DEVASTATED 5/1/2019 6:27AM - in reply to usnspecialist
      • Noticer of non-meme thread titles
      • OP, I corrected your thread title above. Your welcome, moran.
    • wejo
      co-founder
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 6:34AM - in reply to usnspecialist
      • wejo
        co-founder
      • This interesting part was in the summary of decision: "In this regard, reference has been made to the following main issues: The difficulty to rely on concrete evidence of actual (in contrast to theoretical) significant athletic advantage by a sufficient number of 46 XY DSD athletes in the 1500m and 1 mile events. The CAS Panel suggested that the IAAF consider deferring the application of the DSD Regulations to these events until more evidence is available. "

        which hints at the IAAF study not being that strong I think.
    • AdiosMom
      • RE: Caster Semenya goes home DEVASTATED 5/1/2019 6:35AM - in reply to Noticer of non-meme thread titles
      • AdiosMom
      • Do you really need to take the piss like that? Pretty heavy handed.

        Yeah, we're happy to see women's sport protected, but I really sympathies a lot with Caster, she's been put through a lot in the past ten years.

        I really doubt this is the end of this issue, it's just getting started. There are still many aspects that need to be addressed.
    • BmoreRunner
      registered
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 6:47AM - in reply to
      • BmoreRunner
        registered
      • How does this affect Francine Niyonsaba? She is supposed to run tomorrow in the Doha 800m.
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 6:48AM - in reply to BmoreRunner
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • BmoreRunner wrote:

        How does this affect Francine Niyonsaba? She is supposed to run tomorrow in the Doha 800m.

        The IAAF has said that affected DSD athletes can compete in Doha without undergoing treatment.
    • fisky
      registered
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 6:58AM - in reply to wejo
      • fisky
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      • In my opinion, the IAAF didn't go far enough. Extremely elevated T levels should be returned to normal levels for at least two years before competition for all events. Further, the upper limit should be lower, not an abnormally high level that no non-DSD woman has ever reached.

        That said, the IAAF probably did the best it could by restricting it's ruling to the 400-1500. While the benefits of elevated testosterone should be obvious (and ARE obvious to most posters here), it's hard to prove it clinically, given the extremely low prevalence of women's with Castor's unique DSD.

        In my opinion, if Castor was more talented, she would have already made a mockery of world records in the 800 and probably the 400 as well.
    • Sprintgeezer
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      • RE: Caster Semenya goes home DEVASTATED 5/1/2019 6:58AM - in reply to AdiosMom
      • Sprintgeezer
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      • Yes, heavy...and deleted.

        I stand by it completely, and invite the mods to put it back up.
    • crumpline
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 7:03AM - in reply to wejo
      • crumpline
      • wejo wrote:

        This interesting part was in the summary of decision: "In this regard, reference has been made to the following main issues: The difficulty to rely on concrete evidence of actual (in contrast to theoretical) significant athletic advantage by a sufficient number of 46 XY DSD athletes in the 1500m and 1 mile events. The CAS Panel suggested that the IAAF consider deferring the application of the DSD Regulations to these events until more evidence is available. "

        which hints at the IAAF study not being that strong I think.

        Nah. It means there is not enough athletes in that subset to run a significant trial.

        No lady is going to own up to it, and those that are benefiting are not going to stick their head ave the parapet.

        Its like the definition of obscenity. You can't define it but know it when you see it.

        IN her case they said the decision was made for the integrity of women's sport, even though it cut out high T ladies.

        And lets be straight. Semenya highest T was / is over 1000. That's body builder range.
    • bjc
      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:05AM - in reply to No way nope
      • bjc
      • No way nope wrote:

        Cousin Ernie wrote:

        I feel sorry for her.

        Why? She will move up in distance and probably compete at a very competitive level there (see the SA 5k finals). It isn't just a testosterone advantage - it is all of the other physical advantages as well that are there and have developed in part because of the testosterone. Honestly the suppression should be for any distance although this ruling is an excellent step forward.

        Melissa Bishop is the one people should really feel sorry for.
    • Why why why
      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:07AM - in reply to Cousin Ernie
      • Why why why
      • Cousin Ernie wrote:

        I feel sorry for her.

        Why? Semenya’s made a fortune and won athletic glory Semenya didn’t deserve to, as Semenya chose to race against women not possessing testosterone in anywhere near the same amounts. And there’s nothing to stop Semenya using that testosterone and make secondary sexual characteristics to compete against men. Semenya has choices other athletes do not, and has had success that was not deserved.

        Do you feel sorry for the female athletes denied Olympic and world medals because of Semenya?

        Do you feel sorry for the men who are the same speed as Semenya but didn’t get to win medals and make so much money?
    • GoldenMiles
      • RE: Caster Semenya Loses Appeal 5/1/2019 7:08AM - in reply to Trolling forecast
      • GoldenMiles
      • Trolling forecast wrote:

        The forecast is for a tsunami of trolling and as many people as possible referring to Caster as 'he' and/or saying 'internal testes' which some folks seem to get some kind of perverse kick out of. Normal decent people - time to take (yet another) break from this wretched place.

        Spot on.
    • Not remotely.
      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:24AM - in reply to Why why why
      • Not remotely.
      • I don't feel remotely sorry for her. She has had undeserved fame and fortune for years, at the direct expense of the runners who finish behind her - even with this ruling I still feel sorry for THEM. Once in a lifetime chances to win World and Olympic titles gone forever. How does this equate to "poor Semanya".

        She isn't being banned retrospectively - she's still got the medals, the times and the money. She seemed to take great pleasure rubbing in her "advantages" by continually flexing her biceps after her "victories", while the women she consistently "beat" with ease lay shattered and disillusioned on the track.

        She's had far more than her fair share of "success" and it would have been nothing less than an utter travesty and the death knell for women's athletics, if she and her DSD compatriots had been allowed to continue milking all the gold and glory from their events forever.

        .
    • ??????????
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      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:24AM - in reply to Why why why
      • ??????????
        registered
      • Why why why wrote:

        Cousin Ernie wrote:

        I feel sorry for her.

        Why? Semenya’s made a fortune and won athletic glory Semenya didn’t deserve to, as Semenya chose to race against women not possessing testosterone in anywhere near the same amounts. And there’s nothing to stop Semenya using that testosterone and make secondary sexual characteristics to compete against men. Semenya has choices other athletes do not, and has had success that was not deserved.

        Do you feel sorry for the female athletes denied Olympic and world medals because of Semenya?

        Do you feel sorry for the men who are the same speed as Semenya but didn’t get to win medals and make so much money?
    • ??????????
      registered
      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:25AM - in reply to ??????????
      • ??????????
        registered
      • ?????????? wrote:

        Why why why wrote:

        Cousin Ernie wrote:

        I feel sorry for her.

        Why? Semenya’s made a fortune and won athletic glory Semenya didn’t deserve to, as Semenya chose to race against women not possessing testosterone in anywhere near the same amounts. And there’s nothing to stop Semenya using that testosterone and make secondary sexual characteristics to compete against men. Semenya has choices other athletes do not, and has had success that was not deserved.

        Do you feel sorry for the female athletes denied Olympic and world medals because of Semenya?

        Do you feel sorry for the men who are the same speed as Semenya but didn’t get to win medals and make so much money?

        +1

        (Sorry for double post)
    • ANC
      • RE: CAS RULES SEMENYA CANNOT COMPETE WITHOUT USING HORMONE SUPPRESSANTS 5/1/2019 7:30AM - in reply to ??????????
      • ANC
      • Me neither. She's not forbidden from racing, she can always go up against those with similar testosterone. I'm not talking about the women's 100, I mean men's events.