The mind is the most powerful weapon. wrote:
It's his mind. The mind is the most powerful weapon.
This reminds me so much of X-men. Sure, a lot of the mutants has so much more powerful powers, yet Professor X was the leader because he had the power of the mind.
Humble Pie Man wrote:
The only criticism I have is that he sees his children very little. Are millions worth not being around your young children? I don’t get it why doesn’t his family live near the training camp so he can see them everyday? But on the other side a family takes a lot out of you. Would he be as successful if he was not around them everyday?
Family could be a distraction. Maybe he gives his money to his wife to take care of the children.
He understands the positive and negative characteristics of the mind and incorporates that wisdom in his own life.
kyoto wrote:
Not Lance, Rupp, or Mo wrote:
The thing is Kipchoge has the track speed to make these times believable. Along with he lives a consistent life style, so why wouldn’t consistent times be believable. There is no shred of cheating so just enjoy what this man is able to do.
Tergat had similar track speed and Geb and Bekele had superior track speed. This does not explain it. Many said Lance was not cheating. That opinion means NOTHING.
We will never know. That I genuinely believe. We would never have known about Lance, but he had too much desire to still compete, a large a$$hole streak, and a list of people with vendettas. Kipchoge has none of that. He will race, win, and leave. He just doesnt have a personality that makes enemies.
Obviously, he could be doping. He is, however, an athlete of insane talent. 18yr old WC win over El G and Bekele. 12:4x. Etc. The shoes seem to help. Kipchoge doesn't fit the profile of a typical doper. He doesn't disappear, he is consistent, etc. Contrast that to guys like MakDaddy or Kiptum, or Kiptoo, or whoever that disappear for ages with no explanation or bounce between being terrible and amazing.
As with any doping scenario, you just never know. It all comes down to belief. Kipchoge checks only one box that is "indicative of doping": he's fast as hell. Outside of that, zero.
Truth is, Kipchoge makes me believe. Lots of guys claim integrity and that they don't dope. Kipchoge eminates it. His entire lifestyle of one simplicity, compassion, and integrity. Every action he takes that we know or hear about emphasizes that. Outside of being fast, every other snippet of Kipchoge points to genuine integrity. No rumors or whispers. No bad behavior. No one with any negative story. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
Consider guys who are believed protected like Lance, Mo, Bolt, etc. Tons of smoke around all of those. One already went up in flames. Character flaws, anger, risk taking lifestyles, reported missed tests, sketchy associations with coaches, allegations and rumor.
With Kipchoge....zero smoke. Zero rumors. Zero whispering. At the end of the day it comes down to what do you believe. Eluid, simply put, makes me believe. If it's possible to be clean and dominant, it's Kipchoge that could be that athlete.
One other thing I know, if Kipchoge were to ever be revealed as dirty I would never believe a top athlete could be clean. I already doubt it, but the fall of Kipchoge would be the final nail in the coffin for the ideal of a clean champion.
What I loved about today is the fact that he put the hammer down on two Ethiopians that are 100% doped to the gills. Unlike flash in the pan performances like Kimetto, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on PEDs due to the consistency. Today Kipchoge, I raise a glass to an awesome display, take a bow son.
kyoto wrote:
Not Lance, Rupp, or Mo wrote:
The thing is Kipchoge has the track speed to make these times believable.
Tergat had similar track speed and Geb and Bekele had superior track speed. This does not explain it. Many said Lance was not cheating. That opinion means NOTHING.
I don’t think that’s fair. In the 2000s when Haile and Tergat started competing we hadn’t really figured out the marathon. When they started, no one knew how to prepare for a 2:02 marathon because no one had broken 2:05. With today’s competition, training, and technology they could have run a lot faster.
Secondly, Bekele has comparable marathon talent to Kipchoge, he’s just been injured / lazy. It took Kipchoge 11 races to break 2:03; I think that if Bekele had 11 good races he could have run a lot faster than his (still incredible) 2:03:03 pr.
Ggggg wrote:
He is the only runner in history that managed to rule the scene for so long. The man has 9-10 (lost count) straight wins. All the other runners can pull two or three emajor wins, some of which aren’t even consecutive. And afterwards they start to decline in shape, having injuries- look at Kipsang, Bekele, Stanley Biwot, Kimetu, Geoffrey Mutai, Emanuel Mutai, Kameoror, Patrick Makuo, Desisa, even Haile Gebrselassi had ups and downs. And same thing in the women. But this guy Kipchoge- he doesn’t lose, he never gets injured, he never gets second. What is it that he does differently? Is he the only professional??
After today it looks like he can do whatever he wants, like a god of some kind. Doesn’t make sense.
Sleep + proper recovery between hard workouts + genetic freak. Mostly the latter.
There are hundreds of Kenyan runners living the exact life pattern and training pattern as Kipchoge- so his lifestyle explains nothing.
It's because he trained barefoot and that's the reason he runs with no vertical displacement. The reason is right in your face every time he runs a marathon the commentators mention how good his form is. That's why he is consistent and why he doesn't get injured. I am just talking out my ass but he told me on Facebook.
Ggggg wrote:
He is the only runner in history that managed to rule the scene for so long. The man has 9-10 (lost count) straight wins. All the other runners can pull two or three emajor wins, some of which aren’t even consecutive. And afterwards they start to decline in shape, having injuries- look at Kipsang, Bekele, Stanley Biwot, Kimetu, Geoffrey Mutai, Emanuel Mutai, Kameoror, Patrick Makuo, Desisa, even Haile Gebrselassi had ups and downs. And same thing in the women. But this guy Kipchoge- he doesn’t lose, he never gets injured, he never gets second. What is it that he does differently? Is he the only professional??
After today it looks like he can do whatever he wants, like a god of some kind. Doesn’t make sense.
a - He's made for the marathon.
b - He's trains correctly.
c - He's a top responder to PEDs.
Put all three together and you have what you see today.
Ggggg wrote:
He is the only runner in history that managed to rule the scene for so long. The man has 9-10 (lost count) straight wins. All the other runners can pull two or three emajor wins, some of which aren’t even consecutive. And afterwards they start to decline in shape, having injuries- look at Kipsang, Bekele, Stanley Biwot, Kimetu, Geoffrey Mutai, Emanuel Mutai, Kameoror, Patrick Makuo, Desisa, even Haile Gebrselassi had ups and downs. And same thing in the women. But this guy Kipchoge- he doesn’t lose, he never gets injured, he never gets second. What is it that he does differently? Is he the only professional??
After today it looks like he can do whatever he wants, like a god of some kind. Doesn’t make sense.
If we put in his 12:46 at 5000m PR into the Daniels VDOT calculator we get an expected possible time of 2:02:27 at the marathon. The answer is mostly that he is extraordinary talented and trains with simplicity and continuity year around. So the key words are: extreme talent in combination with smart continuous training, using the three most important factors for the result. It`s very simple if the runner has the talent necessary.
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LM wrote:
kyoto wrote:
Tergat had similar track speed and Geb and Bekele had superior track speed. This does not explain it. Many said Lance was not cheating. That opinion means NOTHING.
We will never know. That I genuinely believe. We would never have known about Lance, but he had too much desire to still compete, a large a$$hole streak, and a list of people with vendettas. Kipchoge has none of that. He will race, win, and leave. He just doesnt have a personality that makes enemies.
Obviously, he could be doping. He is, however, an athlete of insane talent. 18yr old WC win over El G and Bekele. 12:4x. Etc. The shoes seem to help. Kipchoge doesn't fit the profile of a typical doper. He doesn't disappear, he is consistent, etc. Contrast that to guys like MakDaddy or Kiptum, or Kiptoo, or whoever that disappear for ages with no explanation or bounce between being terrible and amazing.
As with any doping scenario, you just never know. It all comes down to belief. Kipchoge checks only one box that is "indicative of doping": he's fast as hell. Outside of that, zero.
Truth is, Kipchoge makes me believe. Lots of guys claim integrity and that they don't dope. Kipchoge eminates it. His entire lifestyle of one simplicity, compassion, and integrity. Every action he takes that we know or hear about emphasizes that. Outside of being fast, every other snippet of Kipchoge points to genuine integrity. No rumors or whispers. No bad behavior. No one with any negative story. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
Consider guys who are believed protected like Lance, Mo, Bolt, etc. Tons of smoke around all of those. One already went up in flames. Character flaws, anger, risk taking lifestyles, reported missed tests, sketchy associations with coaches, allegations and rumor.
With Kipchoge....zero smoke. Zero rumors. Zero whispering. At the end of the day it comes down to what do you believe. Eluid, simply put, makes me believe. If it's possible to be clean and dominant, it's Kipchoge that could be that athlete.
One other thing I know, if Kipchoge were to ever be revealed as dirty I would never believe a top athlete could be clean. I already doubt it, but the fall of Kipchoge would be the final nail in the coffin for the ideal of a clean champion.
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It’s the lifestyle, the mentality, the consistency and the training. He often says that he doesn’t train all-out. 80% or thereabouts. His sessions seems unreal to us mortals but they’re just hard enough for Kipchoge. Other runners push too hard, don’t recover and come race day, they don’t have the same mental attitude.
"Lionel Andres Messi plays football"
You can't compare f*ucking messi with kipchoge, Messi is NOT one of the big ones until he wins a cup, which he hasn't.
If you wanna compare it with soccer try PELE or Ronaldo.
Anyways just a correction.
Yeah Messi doesn't have a world cup , nor South American Cup nor European Cup.
He is good but not among the top in history, total unfair with kipchoge.
Ggggg wrote:
There are hundreds of Kenyan runners living the exact life pattern and training pattern as Kipchoge- so his lifestyle explains nothing.
But does partially explain the performance differences between Kenyan's and Americans
Kipchoge’s consistency = Tinman training style
Spot on wrote:
LM wrote:
... Kipchoge checks only one box that is "indicative of doping": he's fast as hell. Outside of that, zero.
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This sums up this entire thread.
Spot on wrote:
LM wrote:
We will never know. That I genuinely believe. We would never have known about Lance, but he had too much desire to still compete, a large a$$hole streak, and a list of people with vendettas. Kipchoge has none of that. He will race, win, and leave. He just doesnt have a personality that makes enemies.
Obviously, he could be doping. He is, however, an athlete of insane talent. 18yr old WC win over El G and Bekele. 12:4x. Etc. The shoes seem to help. Kipchoge doesn't fit the profile of a typical doper. He doesn't disappear, he is consistent, etc. Contrast that to guys like MakDaddy or Kiptum, or Kiptoo, or whoever that disappear for ages with no explanation or bounce between being terrible and amazing.
As with any doping scenario, you just never know. It all comes down to belief. Kipchoge checks only one box that is "indicative of doping": he's fast as hell. Outside of that, zero.
Truth is, Kipchoge makes me believe. Lots of guys claim integrity and that they don't dope. Kipchoge eminates it. His entire lifestyle of one simplicity, compassion, and integrity. Every action he takes that we know or hear about emphasizes that. Outside of being fast, every other snippet of Kipchoge points to genuine integrity. No rumors or whispers. No bad behavior. No one with any negative story. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
Consider guys who are believed protected like Lance, Mo, Bolt, etc. Tons of smoke around all of those. One already went up in flames. Character flaws, anger, risk taking lifestyles, reported missed tests, sketchy associations with coaches, allegations and rumor.
With Kipchoge....zero smoke. Zero rumors. Zero whispering. At the end of the day it comes down to what do you believe. Eluid, simply put, makes me believe. If it's possible to be clean and dominant, it's Kipchoge that could be that athlete.
One other thing I know, if Kipchoge were to ever be revealed as dirty I would never believe a top athlete could be clean. I already doubt it, but the fall of Kipchoge would be the final nail in the coffin for the ideal of a clean champion.
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